Stormfeather rules need to change

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am interested in solutions that have a realistic probability of being implemented on P99 specifically.

Then you should be interested in what the classic rules are, since this server is trying to mirror classic. Stop repeating the same wrong walls of text over and over.

It factually would not require any extra GM work if the classic play nice policy was implemented. Classic rotations can be handled by the /list function. Voila, camps are no longer unclassically monopolized, and people with less playtime can have more chances to get items in normal play sessions.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you should be interested in what the classic rules are, since this server is trying to mirror classic. Stop repeating the same wrong walls of text over and over.

It factually would not require any extra GM work if the classic play nice policy was implemented. Classic rotations can be handled by the /list function. Voila, camps are no longer unclassically monopolized, and people with less playtime can have more chances to get items in normal play sessions.

The problem is the devs have made it clear they are not going to use /list on non-legacy camps. How do we know this? It has been over 6 years since Green launched, and zero camps on blue were given the /list treatment. Rogean's thread on the /list system is unviewable as well: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=337066

I am confident that people besides yourself have asked for /list on non-legacy camps in the last 6 years. Unless you know Rogean personally or something, you aren't going to get /list on Stormfeather. It is a useless proposition.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is the devs have made it clear they are not going to use /list on non-legacy camps.

No they haven't, that's just you making an assumption. Anything is modifiable anyway, opinions change over time. If the community collectively called for a classic ruleset, then the server would get it.

There hasn't been enough of a rallying cry on this issue, in part because the majority of people don't even realize how things are supposed to be; they're used to the instance-based MMO experience where it's normal that people get spawns all to themselves. And of course the current rules benefit nolifers and guilds that have strangleholds on servers, so why would they care how others are suffering.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No they haven't, that's just you making an assumption. Anything is modifiable anyway, opinions change over time. If the community collectively called for a classic ruleset, then the server would get it.

There hasn't been enough of a rallying cry on this issue, in part because the majority of people don't even realize how things are supposed to be; they're used to the instance-based MMO experience where it's normal that people get spawns all to themselves. And of course the current rules benefit nolifers and guilds that have strangleholds on servers, so why would they care how others are suffering.

What is your plan to convince the devs to apply /list to camps like Stormfeather?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is the devs have made it clear they are not going to use /list on non-legacy camps.

Huh? When did they say that? Isn't the "Summon Corpse" spell drop in Splitpaw a non-legacy item and they made that a /list camp for awhile. I don't think it's a /list camp anymore, but it was for awhile. And it didn't start as one either. They saw the monopolization of the camp/drop going on (IIRC it was for cheesing Sky at the time) and converted it to a /list camp. So that refutes your point.

[Defo]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? When did they say that? Isn't the "Summon Corpse" spell drop in Splitpaw a non-legacy item and they made that a /list camp for awhile. I don't think it's a /list camp anymore, but it was for awhile. And it didn't start as one either. They saw the monopolization of the camp/drop going on (IIRC it was for cheesing Sky at the time) and converted it to a /list camp. So that refutes your point.

Also, some of the VP Key pieces are still /list

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? When did they say that? Isn't the "Summon Corpse" spell drop in Splitpaw a non-legacy item and they made that a /list camp for awhile. I don't think it's a /list camp anymore, but it was for awhile. And it didn't start as one either. They saw the monopolization of the camp/drop going on (IIRC it was for cheesing Sky at the time) and converted it to a /list camp. So that refutes your point.

Originally Posted by Defo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, some of the VP Key pieces are still /list

You can read my post again. I didn't say the staff explicitly said this. They don't have a habit of doing that. I am simply pointing out their behavior over the past 6 years. Actions speak louder than words.

As far as I know, zero camps have been given the /list treatment on Blue. I explicitly said Blue in the post you are quoting. I said "non-legacy" camps because I didn't want to distract the conversation with camps that were /list on Green for very specific reasons. Zuranthium seems to have a lot of trouble reading posts, so I am trying to keep them short when replying to him.

It is fairly obvious the two camps mentioned were given the /list treatment because Green is newer. Not as many players have certain raid items like VP Keys and summon corpse. The staff has a clear track record of adjusting raid specific camps/rules/items. The Plane of Sky rotation, rooted dragons, clickie nerfs, etc., are all clear examples of this.

Stormfeather has no relationship to raiding. There is no reason to assume the Stormfeather camp will ever be given the /list treatment based on past behavior.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stormfeather has no relationship to raiding.

Neither do Manastones? Wasn't rubicite also /list? Point being, there's no real way to make an argument that the staff wouldn't decide to do a /list system for a specific camp. They've shown a willingness to do /list for both legacy and non-legacy items when they've viewed the monopolization as unfair.

They're unlikely to do /list systems for items currently because they just don't seem to have the time or energy for the project as of today (not saying that as a slight towards them). But there's literally no way to say that they are unwilling to do it for a given item on a given server.

At any rate, this has gone way off topic from the original point of the thread. Not surprised given the people who are engaging in the comments.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neither do Manastones? Wasn't rubicite also /list? Point being, there's no real way to make an argument that the staff wouldn't decide to do a /list system for a specific camp. They've shown a willingness to do /list for both legacy and non-legacy items when they've viewed the monopolization as unfair.

They're unlikely to do /list systems for items currently because they just don't seem to have the time or energy for the project as of today (not saying that as a slight towards them). But there's literally no way to say that they are unwilling to do it for a given item on a given server.

At any rate, this has gone way off topic from the original point of the thread. Not surprised given the people who are engaging in the comments.

The /list system was originally designed for legacy items on the launch of Green. It is obvious that legacy items would be part of the /list system.

The non-legacy camps that were mentioned are raid specific camps, and the /list system is only applied to those camps on Green. This makes sense, because the best strategy for the top guild on a fresh server is to deny raid items like VP keys from other guilds for as long as possible. Blue doesn't have this problem due to it's age.

This is the pattern for /list camps so far:
1. Legacy items (Future Servers only, as all legacy items no longer drop)
2. Raid specific items that were strategically being withheld from other guilds (Green and Future Servers)

It looks like you just read the last line of my post and skipped the rest lol. I'll put this as the last line, so maybe you'll read my post this time.