Confessions of a cheater...

[Pico]

convenience i believe was the reason for using it im not double sure on that tho brb ghoul lord popped iwth yak

[Cheater]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

convenience i believe was the reason for using it im not double sure on that tho brb ghoul lord popped iwth yak

I see what you did there..

[ShowEQ]

Kobias,

You are right and I didn't try to distinguish one as cheating and another as not. I tried to say that one can do significantly more than the other and if you are smart then you are still running and will always be running showeq without any recourse.

So the cheating tools showeq, myshoweq, mq2, they are all cheating with significant differences in what someone can do but if you are using showeq you are still using showeq with a 50% exp bonus for being smarter than the myseq cheaters.

So I am saying the punishment should vary in some way equal to the tool. Especially since one of the tools is still being used by folks. And you bet the funny part is some of these haters are using the showeq tool rather than the myseq tool and making all these jack ass level funny claims about how happy they are everyone else got caught.

Either way you can bet anyone who wants to use showeq but didn't get banned is simply going to stop using myseq and dust off their linux skills and get showeq running again. At least those with enough ability to do it.

Either way, p1999 blue/red is just dealing with the idiots that run detectable tools and punishing the noobs more than the experts when it comes to cheaters. In the end I agree that do what you can, no point in not doing everything you can to remove the cheaters. But myseq and showeq are significantly different from mq2, you cant buff yourself with those. That is a huge difference.

[Kobias]

Originally Posted by ShowEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kobias,

You are right and I didn't try to distinguish one as cheating and another as not. I tried to say that one can do significantly more than the other and if you are smart then you are still running and will always be running showeq without any recourse.

So the cheating tools showeq, myshoweq, mq2, they are all cheating with significant differences in what someone can do but if you are using showeq you are still using showeq with a 50% exp bonus for being smarter than the myseq cheaters.

So I am saying the punishment should vary in some way equal to the tool. Especially since one of the tools is still being used by folks. And you bet the funny part is some of these haters are using the showeq tool rather than the myseq tool and making all these jack ass level funny claims about how happy they are everyone else got caught.

Either way you can bet anyone who wants to use showeq but didn't get banned is simply going to stop using myseq and dust off their linux skills and get showeq running again. At least those with enough ability to do it.

Either way, p1999 blue/red is just dealing with the idiots that run detectable tools and punishing the noobs more than the experts when it comes to cheaters. In the end I agree that do what you can, no point in not doing everything you can to remove the cheaters. But myseq and showeq are significantly different from mq2, you cant buff yourself with those. That is a huge difference.

Fair enough, but the bonus as I understand it was a reward for those that didn't cheat.

I would agree if that punishment could be different, but in the end it kind of amounts to the same cheating mentality. MQ2's basic package as I've been told cannot provide maps that SEQ provides because P1999 blocks maps by setting expansion flag < Luclin. I bet there is a way around it, but it's probably something people paid cash for. Part of my ranting earlier in this thread was to point out kind of what your trying to say: Uber cheaters ought to have been punished more. But making that determination on such a large scale for each individual account is very cumbersome.

If there was a way to track SEQ users, it would be possible to do something about it. As it stands, the only way is to watch people and try to trick them with spawns and see how they react.

I think the moral of the whole story though is that: Cheaters beware [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Maybe your a SEQ user who slipped by this time, but they'll still be vigilant, and still be watching. You might enjoy your XP bonus now only to be banned later, when I imagine the penalty will be far less graceful.

[ShowEQ]

A feel bad and try to defend mySeq folks because.......

I have run ShowEQ on linux and suffered no penalty and am now gaining an EXP boost.

I have a real life friend who has less techy knowledge and ran mySeq on my advice.

He is suspended and bummed, I am rewarded.

His fault for sure but I did suggest he use mySeq for lack of having the skills / pc's to run showEQ.... bummer.

Never have run MQ2 or mySEQ because seems like this was bound to happen. Although should add never ran MQ2 because that seems to affect everyone where seeing a map and being a EQ loner like me is not much advantage in the grand scheme. I can see how using for raids is advantageous in more ways that being a solo'r. Either way the point remains all these mySEQ noobs hit (the same as MQ2'ers) and all the ShowEQ people untouched and winning exp advantage.

[Dantes]

So what you are saying is, they should find a way to ban ShowEQ people too? Good idea.

The rules are pretty clear:

- Any type of program or script that gives you an unfair advantage (eg. MacroQuest, ShowEQ or packet modification) will result in an instant ban with no lenience. Cheating will be ruled with an iron first regardless of who you are.

[Kobias]

Originally Posted by ShowEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have run ShowEQ on linux and suffered no penalty and am now gaining an EXP boost.

I have a real life friend who has less techy knowledge and ran mySeq on my advice.

He is suspended and bummed, I am rewarded.

I'm not sure what you're trying to gain with this... When I read this, I get the impression your upset that some people probably slipped through the cracks and are being rewarded for it with an XP boost. Almost as if you'd prefer the bonus being taken away.

I prefer to look it this way, a vast majority of cheaters were suspended, lost money, lost levels, and get 0 xp points for two weeks :P

I realize that you can't track SEQ users, and even though it's still cheating, I still think the fact that MQ2 detection is more proactive now on the client-side is worth celebrating, and the XP bonus is a great way to celebrate with everyone (including the few SEQ cheaters) that MQ2 is out of the picture for a while =)