Confessions of a cheater...

[Feachie]

Originally Posted by Cheater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ouch, you wound me deeply sir. I can understand the sentiment though, but I was definitely no scrub or button masher. I played mostly in the Bay Area, CA and would travel down to Golfland in southern cali on some weekends just to test my skills with those boys as well.

Normally I abhor cheating, as lame as that may sound, and feel the worst thing added to any game was the difficulty slider. Do you remember how tough the old school NES games used to be when there was no "easy" mode or internet to download a FAQ?

I guess the grinding eventually got to me and I ended up down the dark path. At any rate say what you will, Rogean caught people and has handed down punishment. Some think it's too lenient and perhaps their QQ will change his mind, but for now it is what it is.

that's why nintendo power had a game masters hotline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, demon souls.

[ShowEQ]

All "cheating" is not the same...

ShowEQ - You wont get caught
myShowEQ - You get this suspension
MQ - You get this suspension

ShowEQ is basically showing you maps.

MQ is basically full blow cheating.

You get smacked the same way for full blown cheating as seeing maps if you are a bad cheater.

You completely continue with an EXP bonus if you are a smart cheater.

I think the MQ folks deserve a bigger slap than the ShowEQ folks. One just looks, the other sees and affects. They are big differences, and one of them wont suffer any punishment ever.

[Kobias]

Originally Posted by ShowEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All "cheating" is not the same...

ShowEQ - You wont get caught
myShowEQ - You get this suspension
MQ - You get this suspension

ShowEQ is basically showing you maps.

MQ is basically full blow cheating.

You get smacked the same way for full blown cheating as seeing maps if you are a bad cheater.

You completely continue with an EXP bonus if you are a smart cheater.

I think the MQ folks deserve a bigger slap than the ShowEQ folks. One just looks, the other sees and affects. They are big differences, and one of them wont suffer any punishment ever.

Normally I wont bite troll posts that much, but this one is so tasty.

They're all 3rd party tools. They all provide a service that isn't native to EQ. That is cheating, because you have access to knowledge that someone else cannot hope to have without doing it also.

Your point about ShowEQ not effecting the client is true, but it still is a tool. For instance, if you had complete Database access to where rare mobs spawn and nobody else did, people would probably consider you a cheater. ShowEQ is kind of close to that based on the information it provides on a zone-by-zone basis.

The thing is though, and you do make this point, detection for ShowEQ done correctly is pretty much next to impossible. But that doesn't mean it's not cheating, nor should we consider it not. It paves the way for guilds to setup tracking bots in zones at all times, of any class. I have a big suspicion a lot of guilds took part in this dirty practice whether or not they believe it or not. Given that MQ2 usage for a while is out of the equation, it would be prudent to become a little more vigilant for a rise of SEQ users.

[Demetrium]

Originally Posted by ShowEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All "cheating" is not the same...

ShowEQ - You wont get caught
myShowEQ - You get this suspension
MQ - You get this suspension

ShowEQ is basically showing you maps.

MQ is basically full blow cheating.

You get smacked the same way for full blown cheating as seeing maps if you are a bad cheater.

You completely continue with an EXP bonus if you are a smart cheater.

I think the MQ folks deserve a bigger slap than the ShowEQ folks. One just looks, the other sees and affects. They are big differences, and one of them wont suffer any punishment ever.

Cheating is cheating; if you can't play by the rules then don't play at all. The second you start classifying them by severity people will use the ones with small punishments until they get caught.

The game is 12 years old, and anyone who feels the need to cheat has an extremely pathetic superiority complex. I've never understood the mindset of people who cheat at games. If you're not good at something move on and find something else. I had imagined the majority of the people playing on P1999 were for nostalgia and fun; it's funny to see how others twist it.

Regardless of the excuse or the spin people put on it, I smile every time I think of all the clowns who got caught. I don't care if you're a person who used it once to check a rare spawn or used it every day -- you're all sons of bitches.

[Convict]

Originally Posted by Demetrium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cheating is cheating; if you can't play by the rules then don't play at all. The second you start classifying them by severity people will use the ones with small punishments until they get caught.

The game is 12 years old, and anyone who feels the need to cheat has an extremely pathetic superiority complex. I've never understood the mindset of people who cheat at games. If you're not good at something move on and find something else. I had imagined the majority of the people playing on P1999 were for nostalgia and fun; it's funny to see how others twist it.

Regardless of the excuse or the spin people put on it, I smile every time I think of all the clowns who got caught. I don't care if you're a person who used it once to check a rare spawn or used it every day -- you're all sons of bitches.

[Lagaidh]

Read that in the "Older George Carlin" voice of the late 80s/ early 90s. It just fits perfectly.

Originally Posted by Demetrium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cheating is cheating; if you can't play by the rules then don't play at all. The second you start classifying them by severity people will use the ones with small punishments until they get caught.

The game is 12 years old, and anyone who feels the need to cheat has an extremely pathetic superiority complex. I've never understood the mindset of people who cheat at games. If you're not good at something move on and find something else. I had imagined the majority of the people playing on P1999 were for nostalgia and fun; it's funny to see how others twist it.

Regardless of the excuse or the spin people put on it, I smile every time I think of all the clowns who got caught. I don't care if you're a person who used it once to check a rare spawn or used it every day -- you're all sons of bitches.

[Cheater]

Originally Posted by Feachie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's why nintendo power had a game masters hotline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, demon souls.

I'll take your demon souls and raise you a Battletoads. Now that was a tough f`ing game.. The original Ghosts and Goblins was no cakewalk either, unless of course you used the ^, ^, v, v, <, >, <, >, B, A, Start code.. I beat G&G legit with my buddy though never Battletoads. I think I smashed that game with a hammer at one point.

And yes nintendo power was one of the few ways to get help. OMG.. Nintendo power. Friend had the power glove. Tried it with Metroid and took it off after 2 minutes. That thing sucked!

[Feachie]

Originally Posted by Cheater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take your demon souls and raise you a Battletoads. Now that was a tough f`ing game.. The original Ghosts and Goblins was no cakewalk either, unless of course you used the ^, ^, v, v, <, >, <, >, B, A, Start code.. I beat G&G legit with my buddy though never Battletoads. I think I smashed that game with a hammer at one point.

And yes nintendo power was one of the few ways to get help. OMG.. Nintendo power. Friend had the power glove. Tried it with Metroid and took it off after 2 minutes. That thing sucked!

i call, and raise you rush n' attack.