Swarm Kiting Rats in PoM - impossible/possible?

[Mortdecai99]

I've seen people doing it, but it's technically illegal. I just moved on though. Even if they weren't swarming, the rat maze is only big enough for 1 person at a time, so it was basically the same as another chanter being there.

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Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just be careful, pom is on the dungeon list for ban for bard kite just for awareness.

Right. I do remember reading something about this when I was reading up on what constitutes a camp. Is there an actual list or someplace you can read which technically outdoor zones are considered dungeons?

Originally Posted by Mortdecai99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen people doing it, but it's technically illegal. I just moved on though. Even if they weren't swarming, the rat maze is only big enough for 1 person at a time, so it was basically the same as another chanter being there.

Hmm, I think two (non-bards) could easily exp continuously on either side of the rat maze and not run out of mobs. When leveling my enchanter, shaman and druid there I found that I typically ran out of rats once a third person stepped into the maze.

I am in Europe and during my day-time on weekdays sometimes the zone is empty. That is when I would want to try it.

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Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right. I do remember reading something about this when I was reading up on what constitutes a camp. Is there an actual list or someplace you can read which technically outdoor zones are considered dungeons?



Hmm, I think two (non-bards) could easily exp continuously on either side of the rat maze and not run out of mobs. When leveling my enchanter, shaman and druid there I found that I typically ran out of rats once a third person stepped into the maze.

I am in Europe and during my day-time on weekdays sometimes the zone is empty. That is when I would want to try it.

I run out of rats on my 56 enchanter every time

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Originally Posted by Mortdecai99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I run out of rats on my 56 enchanter every time

My guess would be that you don't utilize the entire maze but I am happy to be proven wrong. Most mobs in PoM have a 70 minute (and not 72 as is a popular misconception) respawn time. If you on average spend 2 minutes pr rat kill (you may say that's a smidge high but that also has to take into account charm breaks and running + setting up for next rat pet etc.) then there would have to be fewer than 35 rats in total in the entire maze for you to run out before respawns. That's also assuming you have zero down time ever - which is completely unrealistic. Any added downtime means fewer than 35 rats if you actually are clearing the entire rat maze alone.

I have never actually counted (and I don't expect I can find the drive to do so) and I am not sure if 35 is a high or low number with regards to total number of rats. It doesn't seem way off but I really don't know.

It might be that I was doing it wrong on my chanter. My method was to charm a pet, send it in, use low-level slow on the target rat and/ epic to haste my pet to manage the hp of both so that they were getting low at more or less the same rate. Then when they were both low I would click goblin ring to break charm and use Dementia and/or Anarchy (to minimize mana used) to nuke both down, then repeat that.

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Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My guess would be that you don't utilize the entire maze but I am happy to be proven wrong. Most mobs in PoM have a 70 minute (and not 72 as is a popular misconception) respawn time. If you on average spend 2 minutes pr rat kill (you may say that's a smidge high but that also has to take into account charm breaks and running + setting up for next rat pet etc.) then there would have to be fewer than 35 rats in total in the entire maze for you to run out before respawns. That's also assuming you have zero down time ever - which is completely unrealistic. Any added downtime means fewer than 35 rats if you actually are clearing the entire rat maze alone.

I have never actually counted (and I don't expect I can find the drive to do so) and I am not sure if 35 is a high or low number with regards to total number of rats. It doesn't seem way off but I really don't know.

It might be that I was doing it wrong on my chanter. My method was to charm a pet, send it in, use low-level slow on the target rat and/ epic to haste my pet to manage the hp of both so that they were getting low at more or less the same rate. Then when they were both low I would click goblin ring to break charm and use Dementia and/or Anarchy (to minimize mana used) to nuke both down, then repeat that.

I charm one of the invis men, give him torch and haste, use shiftless on the rats and no other spells takes 45 seconds to a minute to kill each rat. Heal pet with memblur every 5 or 6 rats... Kill the about 45 rats and every gnome I see. I'm probably missing a couple rats that I don't see in some corner, but it feels like all of them

Then I afk for 10 minutes for raspawn

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Originally Posted by Mortdecai99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I charm one of the invis men, give him torch and haste, use shiftless on the rats and no other spells takes 45 seconds to a minute to kill each rat. Heal pet with memblur every 5 or 6 rats... Kill the about 45 rats and every gnome I see. I'm probably missing a couple rats that I don't see in some corner, but it feels like all of them

Then I afk for 10 minutes for raspawn

There are some rats that are tucked into random corners that you might have left up. I was duoing with a shaman as a tricked out monk, killing rats very fast - and we never ran out. We'd go for like 90 minutes straight, taking under a minute per kill.

Nevertheless, your strat is solid, and those extra few rats aren't worth turning 4 corners to find them lol

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Originally Posted by Mortdecai99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I charm one of the invis men, give him torch and haste, use shiftless on the rats and no other spells takes 45 seconds to a minute to kill each rat. Heal pet with memblur every 5 or 6 rats... Kill the about 45 rats and every gnome I see. I'm probably missing a couple rats that I don't see in some corner, but it feels like all of them

Then I afk for 10 minutes for raspawn

That's a cool strat. Unsure which is more effective as each kill yields half the amount of exp. Would be fun to experiment and look at like exp gained pr hour or something like that.