Claw of Lightning is disappointing (ranger)

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very nice. Yea I generally always have 5-6 stacks on me to get through a Disc. I used to keep summoning them and would keep on the cursor. Gloom’s would be a blast lol.



The Sarnak bow is great. I expect the Windsaber isn’t worth the effort if you have that already.

I have a Dagarn bow but it’s really only good for a few things; I kill Lucan with it since every hit is pretty much damage bonus-only. I expect it would be great for PVP or other very short fights. The best mix of ratio and damage bonus are the Exquisite/Priceless/Primal bows. The War Bow of RZ has 180 range and an aggro proc; I expect due to the speed while more efficient per shot it’s less dps. Similar to a Windstriker.

That’s really the spread of bows…fast under the current 2h damage bonus deliver dps but no sustainability. Slow ones efficiency but poor dps; I expect a Windstriker will put down the most damage in a longer time period since arrows are finite. With a shaker and raid buffs Ive done 40-45dps on a glimmer drake or Zlexak with Tolan arrows and an Exquisite. About 90 on a glimmer with Trueshot. In limited testing I’ve never seen the Dagarn pop 100 dps but testing it is a literal pain so I can’t be certain.

Thanks for the bow review! Yeah it is more or less what I thought. Sarnak is 25 delay and with only 34% haste it fires very fast. I can't imagine firing a 17dly bow nearing 100% haste. I guess dagarn's/windsaber are probably more effective from a dps standpoint but must be highly annoying. If you can get similar results with a higher delay bow without the hassle of firing every 0,6 second and having to summon with tolan's for 15 minutes every fight then the tradeoff might be worth it.

[Snaggles]

Yep exactly, a damned if you do or don’t situation.

The Dagarn bow and Earthshaker let me kill Lucan in like 15-20 minutes. Mostly 59 damage hits. Other than that though, it’s fun but the burn rate is just too high. At about a second a shot that’s three stacks a minute. For most stuff an Exquisite is too good to pass up (or any cheap Velium if range isn’t an issue for rotting).

Next time we get a knight to tank Vindi I’ll go ham and see if the Dagarn bow can crack 100 on Avatar without jolting.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ive tried to tell folks that spending that dkp on 1h is a waste for most part, grab a cek if ya wanna dps.

2 hand is good budget option for sure but peak dps is in 1 handers. BoF/Braid Combo just rips. If target is magic immune (or someone else at raid is rocking braid) claw offhand is 2nd best option. not to mention the utility of 1 handed procs...

[Cecily]

How's that compare to a 55 rogue with a ragebringer? 2h is by far the smartest gearing path. I have two baton of flames.

[Awsten_Tx]

Not sure what you mean? I dont have any data for a 55 rogue. I might have some leveling data from back in the day.

I am speaking purely from a ranger comparison.

[Cecily]

I'm outright saying a 55 rogue with a ragebringer probably parses on par or better than an endgame geared ranger and that's kinda funny and also that mulling over the optimal offhand in cases like that is kinda silly. It's a class that can autoattack and kick. It doesn't matter. They're all the same. They all parse the same. Claw Swiftwind Braid. Pick what you think is pretty. Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants is better. Mainly because it makes big numbers and it's pretty. Also I have two batons.

[Snaggles]

I’ve enjoyed collecting various combinations. The 2h path is really good and crazy cheap. It’s probably the safest way as well since timing jolts is a breeze and enrage isn’t as dangerous.

I’m definitely grabbing a braid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Bag space management is the worst part of this game.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm outright saying a 55 rogue with a ragebringer probably parses on par or better than an endgame geared ranger and that's kinda funny and also that mulling over the optimal offhand in cases like that is kinda silly. It's a class that can autoattack and kick. It doesn't matter. They're all the same. They all parse the same. Claw Swiftwind Braid. Pick what you think is pretty. Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants is better. Mainly because it makes big numbers and it's pretty. Also I have two batons.

It matters in solo or group content. Raid content literally doesnt matter at all. In fact of all raiding there is like 5% instances when minmaxing dps actually matters.

Comparing a ranger to a rogue doesnt make much sense as the utility of each is basically apples and oranges.

[Cecily]

Literally all problems a ranger faces can be solved by shouting, "Behold!" and linking Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants. Then swinging Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants at the aforementioned problem.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm outright saying a 55 rogue with a ragebringer probably parses on par or better than an endgame geared ranger and that's kinda funny and also that mulling over the optimal offhand in cases like that is kinda silly. It's a class that can autoattack and kick. It doesn't matter. They're all the same. They all parse the same. Claw Swiftwind Braid. Pick what you think is pretty. Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants is better. Mainly because it makes big numbers and it's pretty. Also I have two batons.

If you look at the larger parse good rangers beat bad rogues all the time. People focus too much on the top 10 and not the other 30+ melees. The back end of the curve is the problem with a raid. Outside mistakes and clerics that can’t count.

Not to make this a class v class argument but rangers are a raid luxury and aren’t overplayed to a detrimental raid comp level. Arguably, I’d rather be a ranger trying hard than a rogue getting beat by them.