Questions about starting a casual warrior.

[Defo]

Relying on procs is not fun. Even with Truncheon, sometimes my warrior struggles with fights because the Truncheon won't proc until the mob is nearly dead, or until I'm nearly dead.

Ogre is good for FSI when raiding - but in a group it doesn't matter as much. Soloing doesn't matter as much. I have levelled two warriors, Ogre and Iksar - and there is not a significant difference in tanking solo or grouped between either. Stuns are annoying, but it's not like Warrior can cast any spells. So you don't get that "You cannot use that while stunned" that annoys caster classes.

Iksar was more challenging than Ogre because of faction - but if I rolled a new Warrior, Ogre would be bottom of the list of race choices.

Ogres are ugly. Everyone min maxes. I would love to see some more RP players, or various warrior races. Some are obviously not great choices (Elves, Gnomes) because of low starting strength and stamina.

My advice: Play what you would like to look at. Troll has a great fashion aspect, and the regen is really nice at 51+. But that 20% exp penalty is a killer.

I think if you're truly going for a casual build - forget all of the e-leet min/maxing strategies that are posted all over this board and just play what you would enjoy logging into and looking at.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of which race you choose, your item priority looks like this:

1. Fungi Tunic - ~40k at worst across both servers
2. Seahorse Belt (34% Haste) - ~14k at worst across both servers
3. Reaver - ~5k at worse across both servers
4. 2x 6/65 or 5/55 HP Rings.
5. Any 0.5 ratio weapon for leveling from 1-20. Reaver isn't a great weapon from 1-20 due to damage cap.

This will allow you to level from 1-50 comfortably either solo or group. Fill your armor slots with whatever you can as you gain plat while leveling, or get more plat from your main.

Alternatively you could downgrade your haste item to Silver Chitin Hand Wraps (22% haste) to save 13k, and use that 13k to fill out your armor slots with stat pieces like thick banded belt and HP pieces like Dire Wolf-Hide cloak. You could also get jboots if you want, or stick to SoW pots. You don't absolutely need a 34% haste item for leveling in the lower levels. 22% haste is already great.

If you end up going gnome, clockwork arms are like 2-3k, plus recharge costs.

In a group people should be rooting the mobs so you can tank them. 40+ is when some of the better agro weapons become proccable, so I wouldn't worry too much about agro proc weapons until then (assuming you don't get bored and stop playing before 40). Levels 1-40 are quite easy anyway when it comes to solo/group content, so a high DPS weapon like reaver will work wonders.

Yeah that's basically my plan. Fungi + haste and a whole bunch of +hp using 1 handers until 20 then start cycling in 2 handers. Probably going to get my hands on a croaking dirk, should be decent aggro until the 2h caps are lifted. Then cycle in staff of battle for 2hb and get a reaver at 30. I'l get a spade too down the line. There's a couple things i need to buy for other toons first but I got SCHW right now and will switch to seahorse belt when I get a bit more funds. I'll get to level 5 and faction/park him in chardok to get some no drop goodies while I farm.

Originally Posted by Defo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Relying on procs is not fun. Even with Truncheon, sometimes my warrior struggles with fights because the Truncheon won't proc until the mob is nearly dead, or until I'm nearly dead.

Yeah procs are always a gamble. I ran the numbers in the EC warrior weapon thread and if you get any 400hate proc off it basically wins over even SBOZ white damage but most EC 1h proc weapons don't have great ratios so if you don't proc you're left behind. I was wondering how much I wanted to gamble on that in a group setting at 40+. I figured with everyone being twinked you might want a little edge.

[WarpathEQ]

I think technically CHA is the big brain min/max starting stat for warriors. Not really sure what advice to give when you are clearly an end game min/maxxer but building a toon that you don't plan to use that way.

Obvious melee twink gear to get started. Only thing I haven't seen mentioned is the venomous axe is a no-brainer cheap twink weapon that procs at lvl 1. Pair it with a frost bringer for some solid dps/agro. Probably wait until 30 to swap to a 2hander if you do.

I personally would roll Ogre but I did find myself thinking Gnome based on the details OP provided. If you can get some of that tinkering gear its pretty nice for solo stuff.

[Defo]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah procs are always a gamble. I ran the numbers in the EC warrior weapon thread and if you get any 400hate proc off it basically wins over even SBOZ white damage but most EC 1h proc weapons don't have great ratios so if you don't proc you're left behind. I was wondering how much I wanted to gamble on that in a group setting at 40+. I figured with everyone being twinked you might want a little edge.

On my warrior, I noticed the best combo for aggro was Seb Croaking Dirk + Frostbringer. I'd assume, naturally that Swiftblade of Zek and Blade of Carnage would do better.

That combo Seb Dirk + FB beat things like the Sarnak Warhammer, Wrapped Entropy Spine, etc. The 18 delay on the main hand is great for aggro.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don’t even bother with scd. Just go dual lammies / jade mace and switch to reaver at 20. Even with cap it still slaps your duel wield isnt that good yet.

I also have 2 GCM lying around which are solid. I mentioned the SDC because the ratio is hard to beat for the price but yeah, around 20-30 i'll be switching to 2handers until at least 40 anyway.

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think technically CHA is the big brain min/max starting stat for warriors. Not really sure what advice to give when you are clearly an end game min/maxxer but building a toon that you don't plan to use that way.

Obvious melee twink gear to get started. Only thing I haven't seen mentioned is the venomous axe is a no-brainer cheap twink weapon that procs at lvl 1. Pair it with a frost bringer for some solid dps/agro. Probably wait until 30 to swap to a 2hander if you do.

I personally would roll Ogre but I did find myself thinking Gnome based on the details OP provided. If you can get some of that tinkering gear its pretty nice for solo stuff.

Yeah cha for DI but I'm not sure I'll ever get DI casted on me so I'm not looking to min/max that hard. I'm not even sure I'll ever raid on the toon but I'd still like to avoid some pitfalls. Gnome would be a good choice but my main is gnome and I want to try something else. Never tried ogre/troll starter areas so I'd like to do that at least once and try guk at lower levels and never played a large race either so that is interesting to me.

Yeah, I do have a venomous axe I plan to start with. Didn't mention it because I tried it when getting an EC bard mule to level 5 and I was underwhelmed by the proc rate but I'll see if it works better on longer kills. It also seems around lvl 25 when mobs get 1khp+ the proc starts losing its usefulness considering mallet is same damage but 20% faster. Def getting a frostbringer at 40 though.

Originally Posted by Defo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On my warrior, I noticed the best combo for aggro was Seb Croaking Dirk + Frostbringer. I'd assume, naturally that Swiftblade of Zek and Blade of Carnage would do better.

That combo Seb Dirk + FB beat things like the Sarnak Warhammer, Wrapped Entropy Spine, etc. The 18 delay on the main hand is great for aggro.

I recently learned that offhand hate generation seems bugged and uses the damage bonus in the hate calc even if it doesn't benefit from it in terms of damage. Hate calc is weap dmg + dmg bonus on every swing. Meaning SDC + Frostbringer would be better damage but FB + SDC would do more hate on paper due to proc weap in main hand.

[spoil]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I recently learned that offhand hate generation seems bugged and uses the damage bonus in the hate calc even if it doesn't benefit from it in terms of damage. Hate calc is weap dmg + dmg bonus on every swing. Meaning SDC + Frostbringer would be better damage but FB + SDC would do more hate on paper due to proc weap in main hand.

Is this legit? So Sebilite Croaking Dirk main hand + Frostbringer secondary would be the best - budget - aggro weapon combo?

I'm making a warrior and this is basically what I have so far:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...oposed_warrior

I have a spade I could borrow from my pally as well. Not sure what other 1 handers or upgrades I need, not looking to spend too much more but open to suggestions. Not planning on doing much solo 40+, so truncheon is a low priority. I've also got the cobalt boots and looking for the vambraces. I'm a small race and not going for the bracer.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by spoil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this legit? So Sebilite Croaking Dirk main hand + Frostbringer secondary would be the best - budget - aggro weapon combo?

I'm making a warrior and this is basically what I have so far:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...oposed_warrior

I have a spade I could borrow from my pally as well. Not sure what other 1 handers or upgrades I need, not looking to spend too much more but open to suggestions. Not planning on doing much solo 40+, so truncheon is a low priority. I've also got the cobalt boots and looking for the vambraces. I'm a small race and not going for the bracer.

In this thread I was going back and forth with samoth, he was basically saying slower weaps are better for rogue offhand due to less aggro and I was argueing that if ratio was identical the hate generated would be the same and dogz said it is bugged. I never tested but it rang a bell, I could swear I read that somewhere else too but who knows. Like, maybe dont take it for gospel but keep it in mind. The implications of this for hate generation would be it doesnt matter which weap is in which hand but best proc should definitely be in MH due to OH having half the proc rate.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=446099&page=6

For the gear part I'm almost done building my warrior and a lot of it is the same you picked.

I didn't go all out budget wise but still wanted decent stuff.

Went for peerless legs (4.5k vs 15k for matchless). Cobalt bp is a nice stats salad. Went with crystal chitin gauntlets because I had them. Probably on par with yours, didn't have the 15k to drop on blood runed. Face the eyepatch is real nice, I have crystal spider/tribal war mask and planned on getting gangrenous eventually but the eyepatch is real nice. I have chokidai spauldors for shoulders and also hardened bone spauldors, barbed are nice too I considered them. I have matchless on my cleric I could swap too but I feel cleric gets the most out of them right now.

I have a chanter that mostly lives in chardok so for ears I went HGLs. Not a big fan of HGLs in general but wars have so much AC on gear that it doesn't matter until 50s and even then. Went sarnak war bow for range because bows as range is convenient.

For weaps I have the usual suspects. I got an ornate rune blade (19/30) for the early 2hs skill ups, I'll swap for reaver later. No such option for 2hb so staff of battle. Shovel probably the most convenient tank weap. I always found ogres with the exquisite brawl stick was very on brand but didn't have the 12k. And yeah, croaking dirk/GCM/Venomous for 1h for now. Tried to get a lightningcaller for offhand to fit with a frostbringer later but that thing is rare as shit. Best budget picks are probably SCD/CBOL until you can afford SBOZ and exq hammer/BOC but by then you probably got access to better raid stuff.

I probably made questionable decisions, this is the best I came up with but I'm not a warrior expert by any stretch of the imagination.

[spoil]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In this thread I was going back and forth with samoth, he was basically saying slower weaps are better for rogue offhand due to less aggro and I was argueing that if ratio was identical the hate generated would be the same and dogz said it is bugged. I never tested but it rang a bell, I could swear I read that somewhere else too but who knows. Like, maybe dont take it for gospel but keep it in mind. The implications of this for hate generation would be it doesnt matter which weap is in which hand but best proc should definitely be in MH due to OH having half the proc rate.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=446099&page=6

Thanks, I don't know anything about this stuff, mostly just play my enchanter as well.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by spoil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this legit? So Sebilite Croaking Dirk main hand + Frostbringer secondary would be the best - budget - aggro weapon combo?

Yes. I had a Reaver and also a Seb Croaking Dirk / Frostbringer on my warrior. Seb Dirk + Frostbringer not only did comparable DPS to the Reaver at 50, but also generated much much more threat.