How far are we from AI recreating EQ99?

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but you are quite wrong if you think you can just ask Claude to port the EQ client to Unity and get that video. I will bet my life savings on this fact, I'm that certain of it.

Keep your life savings you retard, not one single person in this thread even wondered if that was possible.

The question was: Look someone built doom like this.

Can someone build eq like this?

Not, can someone wish EQ into existence because someone built Doom using AI?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question was: Look someone built doom like this.

Can someone build eq like this?

Not, can someone wish EQ into existence because someone built Doom using AI?

With current AI tools (and the upgrades to said tools coming in the near future), you cannot build Everquest using AI to do the majority of the work. The techniques in the video OP posted would be woefully insufficient.

Can a team of developers build Everquest with the assistance of AI? Sure. The majority of the work would still be done by human programmers and artists.

This is not going to change in the next few years, unless we get a new breakthrough in AI.

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With current AI tools (and the upgrades to said tools coming in the near future), you cannot build Everquest using AI to do the majority of the work. The techniques in the video OP posted would be woefully insufficient.

But to answer OPs question:

When can we make EQ with AI?

Right now. The answer is right now.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can a team of developers build Everquest with the assistance of AI? Sure. The majority of the work would still be done by human programmers and artists.

A team of developers could build it without AI in 1999.

One developer could build it without AI right now.

One person who doesnt know how to make games can make it with AI right now too.

Making it doesn't mean wishing it into existence.

It means making it. And using AI tools and youtube (LIKE THE GUY IN THE OP VIDEOS), they can figure it out.

This is not going to change in the next few years, unless we get a new breakthrough in AI.

I wouldn't expect much change in anything over a few years, but currently we're not hobbled by "breakthroughs in ai" right now, we're hobbled in "power consumption for AI"

Will more breakthroughs in ai make ai better? Yes.

Would more power right now (without breakthroughs in ai) make ai better? YES.

Right now the tools you're using, the highest paied tools, offer you like 20% of what their tools are capable of.

Because costs.

This is not speculative. It's a fact. Let models think longer, branch more, run more internal passes, use bigger context windows, or spawn helper agents performance goes up.
Reasoning improves.
Fewer mistakes.
Better planning.
That’s pure compute.
Throttled & limited because of power consumption.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool.

But to answer OPs question:

When can 1 developer make EQ with AI?

Right now. The answer is right now.

A team of developers could build it without AI.

One developer could build it without AI.

Can a single newbie game developer use AI to make Everquest? No.

Can a single veteran game developer make Everquest by themselves without AI? Yes.

My guess is OP is talking about AI because they are more interested in the first question "Can a single newbie game developer use AI to make Everquest?"

The answer is no. It will be no for at least the next few years, unless we get a new breakthrough in AI.

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can a single newbie game developer use AI to make Everquest? No.

I would disagree.

Can a single newbie developer who is capable of learning new things and is smart, and has passion and drive, build EQ with AI?

YES. (They could do that right now as a hobby, without any use of AI. but AI is going to reduce about 90% of the time it would take to learn things)

Can a single retard with no passion and no previous success in any aspects of their lives, is a quitter, never finishes anything, never tried to learn a new skill before make EQ with AI?

No.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The answer is no. It will be no for at least the next few years, unless we get a new breakthrough in AI.

This is ironic, because I would argue that it would be mor elike 20 years before someone could build EQ the way YOU ARE ASKING. Which is not what OP asked.

Op gave 2 examples of how he expects the game to be made with AI, using traditional means aided with AI, and you're answering a different question.

You're answering the question: How long until Alexa can make EQ.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can a single newbie developer who is capable of learning new things and is smart, and has passion and drive, build EQ with AI?

The answer to this question is no.The reason for this is AI is not perfect at debugging it's own code. A newbie would not be able to debug the code either, because they are not experienced enough to understand the code AI is writing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're answering the question: How long until Alexa can make EQ.

By definition, a newbie game developer is incapable of building a game like Everquest, due to their lack of knowledge and skills. If building Everquest was so easy a single newbie could do it, there would be more MMO's on the market. AI would have to do most of the work in this scenario.

Can a newbie become a veteran? Of course. But then the question is no longer "Can a newbie with AI make Everquest?", because the person is no longer a newbie.

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By definition, a newbie game developer is incapable of building a game like Everquest, due to their lack of knowledge and skills. If building Everquest was so easy a single newbie could do it, there would be more MMO's on the market. AI would have to do most of the work in this scenario.

Can a newbie become a veteran? Of course. But then the question is no longer "Can a newbie with AI make Everquest?", because the person is no longer a newbie.

Yes. A newbie, with no experience, can watch videos on youtube, ask questions and code with AI, to build everquest from the ground up right now.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question was: Look someone built doom like this.

Can someone build eq like this?

Not, can someone wish EQ into existence because someone built Doom using AI?

ok so I finally actually watched that vid. Lol, lmao, kek even.

That guy didn't build doom, not even close. Plus, doom is open source, which makes it surprising how hood that was considering how it works top to bottom is already inside AI.

And I'll be honest I don't see a difference between your two questions. They're both trying to wish it into existence because someone did it with AI and then adamantly pushing back after being told "no" by people who actually use this shit and vaguely know how it works.

But to answer your question directly, no not really. You could use it to assist you in developing an mmo in unity or whatever, if you wanted, but no, it couldn't actually build the whole game for you. You'd come into too many problems with its inability to be consistent.

The bottom line is that AI can never, ever be used for anything important because it isn't idempotent.

There would have to be a substantial jump in its capabilities in order to do so.

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bottom line is that AI can never, ever be used for anything important because it isn't idempotent.

There would have to be a substantial jump in its capabilities in order to do so.

THIS is where we're arguing about power consumption.

Going back to the first time I brought it up, it was in response to an absolutist statement like this, that is based off people using AI that is hard capped at about 10-20% of its actual capability.

The reason we see so much investment into AI is because at 100% usage, you don't see the mistakes we all see, you see better agents, you see worker replacement.

I'm just talking about the EXCITING and COOL technological advancements that are soon to come to blow our minds, because recently companies like META have been given the permission to build and operate their own power.

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean its your argument, so, I'm not really sure where you are anymore. The question has been asked and answered.

It sounds like you want to do this, so, don't let us stop you. Go learn how to program with AI big dawg glgl. You don't need a bunch of strangers permissions on a forum for a 30 year old emulated game.

I didn't comment if EQ would be build-able by just asking AI to make it.

I don't know if that will ever happen.

Can someone make a film like jurrasic park in their bedroom with AI video tools right now? I actually don't think so.

Could someone make everquest in their bedroom right now with AI tools? Yes absolutly.