Enough with the alliances

[Ibex]

Why is that a problem? I'm not being an obtuse dick, just genuinely curious why that is a problem.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by Ibex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is that a problem? I'm not being an obtuse dick, just genuinely curious why that is a problem.

Well, from a few viewpoints:

As someone who enjoys raid competition in the true sense of pitting skilled players against each other
- It makes every raid a zergfest. Skill doesn't matter when you have the zerg of 3 guilds combined to take down Jorlleag. Especially in the gear that people have accumulated over the course of 4 years of Velious: Every raid can be done with 42-48 players. Maybe you want 60 for Vulak, Tunare, AoW, Dain and Yelinak.. but not for every single raid. With the zerg comes also lack of responsibility on raid mishaps. Train at Eashen's Peak? Hope your OBS has a good angle to see which one of the zerg trained wyverns on top of 200 players.

As someone who just wants to raid casually
- There is precisely 1 "Casual" raid guild left. Every other guild is either one of the "top" guilds or an appendix to one of the top guilds. There will be no new guilds breaking in to the raiding scene, unless they are spin-offs of existing guilds - or as Warpath mentioned - a way to grift the Draft system. Boy, do I miss <The Drift>

As someone who despises CSR disputes, the UN, and people who find ways to skirt the rules
- I've seen it happen, but it continues no doubt --- Guild A and Guild B are in alliance. Guild B is the smaller guild. Guild B "accidentally" trains Guild C, a competing guild. Guild B admits wrongdoing and concedes 3. But Guild A faces no consequences - despite the fact that Guilds A and B were teamed up for the encounter. Like I said, I've seen this happen.

[spoil]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who just wants to raid casually
- There is precisely 1 "Casual" raid guild left. Every other guild is either one of the "top" guilds or an appendix to one of the top guilds.

Is that LoF?

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by spoil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that LoF?

Yes.

I heard Castle, Safe Space and Good Guys all teamed up against Kingdom on Vulak this weekend. Of course Good Guys also encompasses "Lineage Alliance" which is guilds like Smoking Lounge, etc, Castle includes the "Castle Alliance" which has guilds like Ancient Blood, etc. 130 people in the Good Castle Space team up. Max raid capacity for future xpac raid feature was 72.

This server is beyond fixing. Wipe it, Rogean!

[Mortdecai99]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes.

I heard Castle, Safe Space and Good Guys all teamed up against Kingdom on Vulak this weekend. Of course Good Guys also encompasses "Lineage Alliance" which is guilds like Smoking Lounge, etc, Castle includes the "Castle Alliance" which has guilds like Ancient Blood, etc. 130 people in the Good Castle Space team up. Max raid capacity for future xpac raid feature was 72.

This server is beyond fixing. Wipe it, Rogean!

Good guys we're not involved.

[Dgc2002]

Originally Posted by Mortdecai99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good guys we're not involved.

GG held the final blocker for 40 minutes waiting for trips wurms to respawn which both CASS and GG need for their Vulak engage.
GG had no cothers at Vulak.
GG were coth'd up and DPS'd Vulak.

IDK that's pretty involved.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes.

I heard Castle, Safe Space and Good Guys all teamed up against Kingdom on Vulak this weekend. Of course Good Guys also encompasses "Lineage Alliance" which is guilds like Smoking Lounge, etc, Castle includes the "Castle Alliance" which has guilds like Ancient Blood, etc. 130 people in the Good Castle Space team up. Max raid capacity for future xpac raid feature was 72.

This server is beyond fixing. Wipe it, Rogean!

The important thing to note here is that it was 3 AM and the only way CA/SS could fill the critical roles to do Vulak at such an awfully late hour was by teaming with GG.
There were 2 vulaks that day, the first one wasn't a wacky 3-way joint, just a normal CA/SS Vulak kill, the second one was the culmination of a quake Visceryn did after the first Vulak died because he likes seeing us suffer.

Also Lineage & crew weren't involved at all. Afaik they dumped GG in favor of teaming with MT.

[usmcjdking]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The important thing to note here is that it was 3 AM and the only way CA/SS could fill the critical roles to do Vulak at such an awfully late hour was by teaming with GG.
There were 2 vulaks that day, the first one wasn't a wacky 3-way joint, just a normal CA/SS Vulak kill, the second one was the culmination of a quake Visceryn did after the first Vulak died because he likes seeing us suffer.

Also Lineage & crew weren't involved at all. Afaik they dumped GG in favor of teaming with MT.

Half our raiders aren't even sober come quake and the only reason we can do any naturals and lose is because no one is sober enough to actually play the game.

Keep Lineage out of this garbage bin discussion.

[MutinyLLC]

Originally Posted by usmcjdking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Half our raiders aren't even sober come quake and the only reason we can do any naturals and lose is because no one is sober enough to actually play the game.

Keep Lineage out of this garbage bin discussion.

Alcoholism and drug abuse is so fucking cool man!

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by usmcjdking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Half our raiders aren't even sober come quake and the only reason we can do any naturals and lose is because no one is sober enough to actually play the game.

Keep Lineage out of this garbage bin discussion.

Ah, so the "Lineage Alliance" isn't a thing? Lineage is trash just like all the other big guilds. One time the Lineage Alliance came in to do a Nagafen, and in the process cleared the repops my exp group was waiting for. In bats and bugs. Far away from Nagafen's lair.

Fuck Lineage.