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Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not false equiv, both do literally same thing but you can stomp your feat and just fight and argue about it.

yeah, huh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
You are relating apples to oranges.

Apples: A conventional tariff is a tax on imports designed to protect domestic industries from foreign competition. Many economists consider it a harmful policy that creates economic inefficiency. It discourages free trade, raises consumer prices, and can provoke retaliatory tariffs from other countries, reducing overall economic welfare.

Oranges: A carbon tax is a Pigovian tax designed to correct a market failure like negative externality of pollution. Pollution is a societal cost that is not reflected in the market price of goods and services. A carbon tax internalizes this cost, making polluters pay for the harm they cause. The policy's goal is to improve the efficiency of the market by accounting for the true cost of carbon-intensive products, which drives innovation toward cleaner alternatives.

better equivalent would probably be Manchineel Apples ( [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) to Sanguinello Oranges [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, huh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
You are relating apples to oranges.

Apples: A conventional tariff is a tax on imports designed to protect domestic industries from foreign competition. Many economists consider it a harmful policy that creates economic inefficiency. It discourages free trade, raises consumer prices, and can provoke retaliatory tariffs from other countries, reducing overall economic welfare.

Oranges: A carbon tax is a Pigovian tax designed to correct a market failure like negative externality of pollution. Pollution is a societal cost that is not reflected in the market price of goods and services. A carbon tax internalizes this cost, making polluters pay for the harm they cause. The policy's goal is to improve the efficiency of the market by accounting for the true cost of carbon-intensive products, which drives innovation toward cleaner alternatives.

better equivalent would probably be Manchineel Apples ( [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) to Sanguinello Oranges [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Negative externalities
Definition: A cost that is imposed on an unrelated third party.

Oh. I want external externalities.

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Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Negative externalities
Definition: A cost that is imposed on an unrelated third party.

Oh. I want external externalities.

The term you're looking for, external externalities, is redundant in standard economics.

In economics, the term "externality" means the cost is experienced by a party external to the transaction. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, huh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
You are relating apples to oranges.

Apples: A conventional tariff is a tax on imports designed to protect domestic industries from foreign competition. Many economists consider it a harmful policy that creates economic inefficiency. It discourages free trade, raises consumer prices, and can provoke retaliatory tariffs from other countries, reducing overall economic welfare.

Oranges: A carbon tax is a Pigovian tax designed to correct a market failure like negative externality of pollution. Pollution is a societal cost that is not reflected in the market price of goods and services. A carbon tax internalizes this cost, making polluters pay for the harm they cause. The policy's goal is to improve the efficiency of the market by accounting for the true cost of carbon-intensive products, which drives innovation toward cleaner alternatives.

better equivalent would probably be Manchineel Apples ( [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) to Sanguinello Oranges [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both are fruit.

Both increase the cost of manufacturing in different parts of the world resulting in reduced carbon footprint.

Both are a sales tax.

Best you can argue is one is a higher tax than the other.

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Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both are fruit.

Both increase the cost of manufacturing in different parts of the world resulting in reduced carbon footprint.

Both are a sales tax.

Best you can argue is one is a higher tax than the other.

Nah...

A Tariff is a duty on imports.

A Carbon Tax is an excise tax on the use of a pollutant; an input cost.

The carbon tax aims to reduce the carbon footprint; the conventional tariff does not and increases it by promoting less-efficient production.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah...
The carbon tax aims to reduce the carbon footprint

What do you think bringing manufacturing jobs home would do?

Carbon Taxes = Tariffs:
https://econofact.org/carbon-taxes-a...rns?utm_source

“Taxing energy intensive imports and exempting some U.S. export goods from carbon taxes could level the playing field with U.S. firms in energy-intensive, trade-exposed sectors and competitors from countries that don’t have a carbon tax.”

“American manufacturers doing the right thing on climate are at a disadvantage compared to high-polluting foreign competitors … Our Clean Competition Act would give domestic companies a step up in the global marketplace while lowering carbon emissions at home and abroad.”

‘American manufacturers actually win’ under an E.U. border carbon tax because ‘they will pay less than China, which in turn will move the supply chains to the United States of America,’ Whitehouse said.”

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Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think bringing manufacturing jobs home would do?

Carbon Taxes = Tariffs:
https://econofact.org/carbon-taxes-a...rns?utm_source

That entire article was trying to relate Border Carbon Adjustments (BCA).

The confusion arises because a complete, effective carbon tax policy must include a component that acts like a tariff to remain competitive. This component is the Border Carbon Adjustment (BCA), which is what your Econofact article was discussing.

So ...

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[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That entire article was trying to relate Border Carbon Adjustments (BCA).

Yeah, Border Carbon Adjustments are the trade mechanism tied to carbon taxes. that’s exactly how they were pitched early on to protect and even encourage U.S. manufacturing, by taxing imports from high-emission countries.

Riddle me this (an attempt to sound like Reiwa)

Why is tariffs on disposable goods from amazon shipped from china bad.

But tariffs on cheap EV cars from china good?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah...
The carbon tax aims to reduce the carbon footprint; the conventional tariff does not and increases it by promoting less-efficient production.

The most efficient production would inflict all externalities externally with no compensation.

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Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The most efficient production would inflict all externalities externally with no compensation.

well.... hmm...

The "most efficient" production, in the traditional private sense, is often the one that offloads its pollution costs (externalities) onto society for free, thereby appearing cheap while making everyone else pay for the damage. A carbon tax works by forcing the polluter to include that societal cost in their price, thus correcting the imbalance and making the truly efficient, cleaner methods more profitable.

Thou you have point.