Best solo melee class?

[TytosOfEight]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, so you're telling us a mob that's slowed 50% will do less damage than an unslowed mob?

Dude, you're about to change the game with this insight. All you need to feel powerful as a ranger is a 200kp perma farmed item from Plate of Hate

For real though - how could you possibly compare slowed vs. unslowed fights.

Monks have the best melee damage mitigation in the game. It's not debatable. They have the highest defensive skill caps, they get block - and they get stonestance.

If the same mob was slowed with the same percentage - the similarly geared monk is taking less damage 11 out of 10 times. I duo'd from with my friend on his monk and ranger with similar gear on my shaman. The monk never needed heals - while the ranger needed an occasional heal. Same exact mobs, same exact camp. Ranger got beat up. Monk did not.

Again - not debatable. It's mathematics.

I don’t get your logic here. Was the purpose of this thread to compare a class that can slow vs. one that cannot slow? Or, was it about comparing the overall class? Title is best solo class, not best class once someone else has slowed the mob. My ranger can 50% slow mobs and a monk cannot. They can slow with clickies but for not nearly as much or as consistently.

Oh, and BTW, Swarmcaller is like 400 plat and does the same thing: 50% slow.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by TytosOfEight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t get your logic here. Was the purpose of this thread to compare a class that can slow vs. one that cannot slow? Or, was it about comparing the overall class? Title is best solo class, not best class once someone else has slowed the mob. My ranger can 50% slow mobs and a monk cannot. They can slow with clickies but for not nearly as much or as consistently.

Oh, and BTW, Swarmcaller is like 400 plat and does the same thing: 50% slow.

youre comparing apples to oranges. you made a comment about how rangers take less damage than monks.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

youre comparing apples to oranges. you made a comment about how rangers take less damage than monks.

He soloed 30 geos on each and found that the ranger took less total damage than the monk. That seems like apples to apples. Easy access to a 50% slow (via swarmcaller) is a big part of the solo ranger's toolkit. I'm sure you understand the difference between taking less damage on a per-swing basis and taking less damage overall when considering spells and procs. It's the former that seems to me to be apples and oranges when soloing.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He soloed 30 geos on each and found that the ranger took less total damage than the monk. That seems like apples to apples. Easy access to a 50% slow (via swarmcaller) is a big part of the solo ranger's toolkit. I'm sure you understand the difference between taking less damage on a per-swing basis and taking less damage overall when considering spells and procs. It's the former that seems to me to be apples and oranges when soloing.

you his fuckin lawyer or something?

[sammoHung]

I have a question: if rangers do much better than monks why aren't there more rangers? Is feign death just that fun to use? (i mean it is, but)

I always thought relying on weapon procs was not a reliable metric for determining viability though. It's not like rangers get a spell slow, like a shaman for instance.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a question: if rangers do much better than monks why aren't there more rangers? Is feign death just that fun to use? (i mean it is, but)

I always thought relying on weapon procs was not a reliable metric for determining viability though. It's not like rangers get a spell slow, like a shaman for instance.

rangers are not better soloers thank monk. they have worse DPS and they suck at tanking. hope that helps

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rangers are not better soloers thank monk. they have worse DPS and they suck at tanking. hope that helps

they have legit toolset though like snare, animal fear, root. and with clickies they have self haste 50%, and also two 50% slow procs.

all that being said though: i peronally had a way easier time soloing the same mobs on my monk without a slow proc than i did with my ranger and a slow proc. (velks spiders / lava duct crawlers). also, monk can split pulls in places ranger cant. i soloed 59-60 in howling stones with black pantherskin and an herbalist spade. i dont see a ranger doing that with similar gear level. i guess the real question would be where are the places that ranger CAN solo that monk CANNOT, because i can think of a handful of places that monk CAN solo that ranger CANNOT

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a question: if rangers do much better than monks why aren't there more rangers? Is feign death just that fun to use? (i mean it is, but)

I always thought relying on weapon procs was not a reliable metric for determining viability though. It's not like rangers get a spell slow, like a shaman for instance.

Best exp zones are often indoors and monks can split indoors allowing a lot more solo options. It also shines in smaller groups but loses value when splitting is not required. Their gameplay is also a lot more straightforward.

Rangers have a bigger kit but it is more fiddly and situational so very hit or miss. Sow, harmony, snare, track and the likes can be clutch or totally useless if you're doing a single undead camp indoors. Less good exp/money camps outdoors too.

In the end it kind of depends on which perks you want.

And yeah, earthcaller is nice but that epic has a big bottleneck, not sure how much you can consider it as part of the ranger toolkit. You can swarmcaller but it isn't a great weap so if it doesn't early proc you just gimped yourself. You can fix that with DEX but if you want ~180str and decent AC/hp it is hard to get high dex too if you're not BIS.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best exp zones are often indoors and monks can split indoors allowing a lot more solo options. It also shines in smaller groups but loses value when splitting is not required. Their gameplay is also a lot more straightforward.

Rangers have a bigger kit but it is more fiddly and situational so very hit or miss. Sow, harmony, snare, track and the likes can be clutch or totally useless if you're doing a single undead camp indoors. Less good exp/money camps outdoors too.

In the end it kind of depends on which perks you want.

And yeah, earthcaller is nice but that epic has a big bottleneck, not sure how much you can consider it as part of the ranger toolkit. You can swarmcaller but it isn't a great weap so if it doesn't early proc you just gimped yourself. You can fix that with DEX but if you want ~180str and decent AC/hp it is hard to get high dex too if you're not BIS.

you gimped yourself by using 1h anyways, the best option is get 46 and get a cek sword and pretend 1h doesnt exist.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will go oom extremely fast using dooming/invoke unless you have some potg/c2 bot keeping you going.

It's really a balancing act between mana/hp if you want to go for a couple hours without taking breaks. I would usually lead w/ dooming but then use spook the dead or blood ember boots if no undead mobs around. By the time dooming wore off I had done enough damage to resnare w/ BE gaunts & then finish off w/ spook/boots as needed. Once the mob is around 50ish% engulfing is the way to go for mana saving(and also for splitting). I would also tank as much as possible to lighten the mana load, and once the mob is like 30% you can just keep it perma feared in place & ideally if you have epic you can swap that in to get procs to regen as much hp as possible.

If you had access to soul defiler, then that would drastically change things as most of your mana problems should go away in which case i would probably throw in some more invoke.

Yea I had a Soul Defiler and epic 57+. Before that, I just juggled two spawns to 60 fairly relaxed.

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you gimped yourself by using 1h anyways, the best option is get 46 and get a cek sword and pretend 1h doesnt exist.

Really, this is the most efficient path. Less DKP and typically higher numbers, easier jolting, less enrage deaths.