To the R99 Staff and Players -

[Crenshinabon]

Yea I feel like GMs should interfere when it comes to giant obvious trains.

I feel like certain small trains happen, its a part if EQ, but again when it is taken to the extreme (1 solo druid zoning into fear to agro every mob he can on another guild) if there is a GM he should put an end to the persons madness.

It is not right to have 1 asshole be able to intentional grief an entire guild out of something. Its not even pvp, its kind of abusing mechanics.

Again this is only when it is extreme. If a group of GuildB try and take fear from GuildA, use trains, use pvp also, and take it from the other team, this sounds fine. But if GuildB failed the attempt, don't fkin keep griefing them by training and such. GuildB lost. Try again after a reasonable amount of time. No stupid Zerg naked training bs.

Some people play to grief, and the extremes should be controlled.
There is a difference between a small grief and extreme grief.

(grief is most often an unhappy and painful emotion caused by something)

[Bombfist]

Originally Posted by Crenshinabon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea I feel like GMs should interfere when it comes to giant obvious trains.

I feel like certain small trains happen, its a part if EQ, but again when it is taken to the extreme (1 solo druid zoning into fear to agro every mob he can on another guild) if there is a GM he should put an end to the persons madness.

It is not right to have 1 asshole be able to intentional grief an entire guild out of something. Its not even pvp, its kind of abusing mechanics.

Again this is only when it is extreme. If a group of GuildB try and take fear from GuildA, use trains, use pvp also, and take it from the other team, this sounds fine. But if GuildB failed the attempt, don't fkin keep griefing them by training and such. Thats BS. GuildB lost.

Some people play to grief.

Any GM with half a brain can choose when to correctly intervene, the problems with GM's arise when they go Puma style, "I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S BREAKING THE RULES, LETS FREEZE HIM IN PLACE DURING PVP AND DISCUSS WHY I THINK IT MIGHT BE WRONG EVEN THOUGH I'M CLUELESS"

Caps needed.

Pvp servers can't be policed to the extent that the internet seems to think they can, in theory it's possible, in practice you end up with your staff gradually hating their computer screen more and more every night.

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Bombfist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any GM with half a brain can choose when to correctly intervene.

Searyx doesn't have half a brain then.

[SearyxTZ]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Searyx doesn't have half a brain then.

I'll be the first to admit I was not a great GM. The playerbase burned me out and I was extremely bitter/tired near the end.

You earned some kind of punishment though. You had "watch/warn this guy" threads in the staff forum before I even took over. When I made a rule against raining AoE corpses at zonelines until we could figure out how to fix it, what did you (and others) do? You rained zonelines and were winning PvP because players would pop in zones with 25% HP. Guess who they complained to incessantly. No, really - guess. Sent screenshots to in PMs. Complained on the forums, calling for my immediate attention.

If you considered "the one overworked guy trying to hold the server up (for free) because nobody else wanted to do it, while Null and the other staff disappeared, who also had to manage the childlike antics/needs of the server host (Gronkus), while working a 9-to-7 job to make actual money", you are correct.

Get fucked. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Macken]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The playerbase burned me out and I was extremely bitter/tired near the end.

Have you considered sharing your experiences with the staff who have signaled their intention of making the exact same mistake?

You know which mistake i'm talking about don't you?

The same one Verant made and figured out fast. The same one VZTZ staff made before you showed up. The same one you made. The same one staff made after you left. The same one Red99 is chomping at the bit to make.

[Macken]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You earned some kind of punishment though. You had "watch/warn this guy" threads in the staff forum before I even took over. When I made a rule against raining AoE corpses at zonelines until we could figure out how to fix it, what did you (and others) do? You rained zonelines and were winning PvP because players would pop in zones with 25% HP. Guess who they complained to incessantly. No, really - guess. Sent screenshots to in PMs. Complained on the forums, calling for my immediate attention.

Perfect example of why gms have no business getting involved in pvp.

Crash course for the clueless: All the top pvpers will be petitioned by those who do not understand what just happened. Or because they simply can't stand dieing, they will petition incessantly. If you don't have a "watch/warn this guy" by your name, then you aren't doing it right. I was petitioned daily on live and never banned because gms there were relatively much better than VZTZ staff. They could tell that despite appearances, I wasn't doing anything against the rules.

If a guy who plays eq, plays pvp emu, gms pvp emu, is involved with the gaming industry can't figure it out after all this time, then how can you expect the average gm to?

If you don't know how to gm, watch the guys who are petitioned every day. They are the ones who will teach you whats up.

If a gm thinks someone is doing something wrong, just because he is petitioned alot, fire that GM. Hes a moron who will wind up just like Searyx.

...the laughing stock of a whole internet community.

[Buhbuh]

I'd say more people laugh at the expense of you, Macken, almost more than anyone else. In fact, I'm calling Searyx right now to laugh about you.

He said, "Yeah, he should do what my last post said and get fucked."

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd say more people laugh at the expense of you, Macken, almost more than anyone else. In fact, I'm calling Searyx right now to laugh about you.

He said, "Yeah, he should do what my last post said and get fucked."

why so mad buhbuh?

You can come bluebie it up and die to macken just like searyx did.

You can come to forums and cry about macken too later, just like searyx.

don't be so impatient.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perfect example of why gms have no business getting involved in pvp.

Crash course for the clueless: All the top pvpers will be petitioned by those who do not understand what just happened. Or because they simply can't stand dieing, they will petition incessantly. If you don't have a "watch/warn this guy" by your name, then you aren't doing it right. I was petitioned daily on live and never banned because gms there were relatively much better than VZTZ staff. They could tell that despite appearances, I wasn't doing anything against the rules.

If a guy who plays eq, plays pvp emu, gms pvp emu, is involved with the gaming industry can't figure it out after all this time, then how can you expect the average gm to?

If you don't know how to gm, watch the guys who are petitioned every day. They are the ones who will teach you whats up.

If a gm thinks someone is doing something wrong, just because he is petitioned alot, fire that GM. Hes a moron who will wind up just like Searyx.

...the laughing stock of a whole internet community.

GM should never never be involved pvp,Unless it a server issue and not a player issue.Asheron call PvP server let you know that your playing at your own risk and that GM would never get involved in player issues.The server ran awsome and player alway handle things between wach other,Was great times.RZ had a bunch of crupt GM feeding there friends items and banning players and after the scandle RZ was never the same again.GM should never ever been involved in the players side of game especially in Pvp.

[Lasher]

Gm should police exploits and hacking, any play nice rules they want should be hardcoded to some degree to eliminate burnt out and to remove spur of the moment shitty GM judgment call that is usually made with 10% of the required information and has a 50% accuracy.

GM usually get called in and show up after the atrocity has happened so they are already playing catch up and they are talking to 2 or 3 people they believe will give them reliable information but the whitest of knights will always have a different subjective view of the encounter compared to counterpart of the fight.

Now i am for very little PNP but if gms are going to try to say LNS must be followed, no bind camping, no bindrushing, then hard code it so gms are not involved

If GM want LNS, make the corpse pop at entrance or some shit when person is pked because it cant be policed with any margin of success

No Bind rushing or bind camping make it that when pked you are perma rooted DA for 5 mins or some shit.

Now i am not for any of this but having gms get petitioned everytime a person thinks they are getting mistreated and skewing the story to make them look like an angel and having the gm make a judgment call doesnt work.

GMs cant be on 24/7, cant be everyone at once when they are on and always show bias even if its unitentional. If salty is playing and has a 100% legit claim of being CC or something i guarantee a GM wont care/will think salty deserves it/ or will lesson the punishment towards the attacker

So either No PNP which i think it should or hardcode what you can and what you cant hardcore then tell the players tough shit and go watch Smurf 3d