Enchanter is #1 solo class? What is this madness

[Vexenu]

As a thought experiment to help demonstrate how powerful Enchanters are, imagine if other classes in the game suddenly had their best/most class-defining spell or ability removed entirely.

Warrior without Defensive/Evasive: terrible
Rogue without Backstab: awful
Monk without Feign Death: abysmal
Wizard without big nukes: lmao
Cleric without CH: nope
Shaman without slow: ouch
Necro without lifetaps: bro
Mage without pets: Oh dear god



Most of the other classes would be nerfed into near uselessness if not total unviability if you took away their best spell or ability. But if you remove charm from Enchanters? They're still arguably the #1 solo class in the game, and remain a valuable raid/group member with their buffs and CC. Absolutely ridiculous.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Necro without lifetaps: bro

resist patch: hold my beer

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard without big nukes: lmao

Mage without pets: Oh dear god

A wizard is literally mage without pets

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A wizard is literally mage without pets

Except with roots, snares, stuns, and ports/evacs.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except with roots, snares, stuns, and ports/evacs.

Wizard also gets eye and sword pets! So a magician without pets defacto couldn't be a wizard.

I had fun scumming 59 on my wiz in KC using the wizard pet. Everyone commented on how fun it was to see it in use, no one complained or told me to put it away (even we all knew it was bad). Ironically the mage summon items make the wiz sword pet far more viable thanks to reclaim energy.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A wizard is literally mage without pets

Wizards at least have their established niches of raid DPS, easy quad leveling, and ports/TPs.

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except with roots, snares, stuns, and ports/evacs.

The funny thing about Wizards and Mages is you could combine the classes - literally make a "Wizard Mage" that had access to every single spell of each class - and it still would not solo as well as an Enchanter (or even a charming Necro, for that matter). That's how ridiculously busted charm is in EQ. In fact, you could combine Wizard/Mage/Cleric in a single class, and while it would probably level faster than the Enchanter, it would still struggle to keep up with what a 60 Enchanter can solo due to high-end mob scaling. The combination of charm, slow, haste, and top-of-the-line CC in a single class - at least as is currently implemented on P1999 - creates the most preposterously overpowered class in the history of MMOs, one that should have rightfully been nerfed into oblivion years ago.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's how ridiculously busted charm is in EQ.

No, it's not. It's how ridiculously busted charm is on Project 1999.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's not. It's how ridiculously busted charm is on Project 1999.

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[Goregasmic]

Ench animation is not weak yet not strong. It is mid 40s so against high level targets it won't land much and it will get hit hard. It quads for ~210 and has like 3khp. The damage isn't too bad once hasted but 3khp will have you chain rune on harder fights, not super effective.

Very nice to have but it isn't what will put you on the solo artist leaderboard, a charmed pet is almost always better even if more of a hassle. It nearly solo'd ghost of kindle (52) but a max level krup knight would probably require a lot of help to keep it alive, at that point a torched dar is much less trouble even if charm may break. And yeah you could chain animations but you'd have to rebuff them and if the mob summons you'd have to mez it first, not sure if that is less of a PITA.

Most tough charm fights hang on if charm will break or not, basically all RNG. Shamans seem a lot more laid back like snaggles said.