Bring back the Dark Men of Odus

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not assigning negative meaning to anything, this sounds like gaslighting to me. The point is that the name, given the context of it being an Erudite-only guild, is ambiguous.
Just don't put a real life racial descriptor in your Erudite RP guild name, just seems kind of weird. If it can be taken the wrong way, give it a different name.
But in my opinion we need an Ogre RP guild, critical thinking is overrated when you can just ransack villages for fun.

I'll try to be concise and address your points:

1) You assigning meaning is the very crux of the issue. In your own post you quoted

Originally Posted by CrazyPro

Even if that's somehow not the intent of the name, it flattens the identity into something merely visual and racialized.

You're both extremely clear in your intent and interpretation of what you believe the matter to be.

2) Gaslighting isn't positing someone may be incorrect based on their argument / counter arguments (as I provided). Neither is it lying. Gaslighting is the combination of refuting a person's reality while claiming they have some sort of deficiency "they're crazy/unstable, dishonest, etc).

What I'm saying is, that term doesn't mean what you think it means, and you've used it in the wrong context.

3) Not only did I extend a charitable interpretation of your definition, attempting to give you some wiggle room to back out of the flawed position you found yourself in, you then took that good will and attempted to appeal to character assassination (ad hominem) to defend an indefensible position. In short, and while I'm at the risk of being ironic, you're being incredibly intellectually disingenuous.


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Originally Posted by CrazyPro

racial descriptor in your Erudite RP, just seems kind of weird.

Again, a racial descriptor does not determine positive or negative qualities. It's simply a descriptor.

It seems you're so very desperate to force people into thinking that race must carry a bias (and in the examples above, a negative bias), but that's categorically and demonstrably not the case, and very much the definition of "racist".

Now please, for your sake, stop being silly. You're making my points for me at this juncture.



PS:

Originally Posted by CrazyPro

If it can be taken the wrong way, give it a different name.

Giving into mental insanity doesn't make you right, it makes you foolish for not standing up for the correct thing, and that's a character flaw.