What happened to all of the guilds on Blue, and what is Fuse?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can only speak for me, but I was all for it. As a core raider, not in management, I understand officers have to deal with logistics when playing a game we don’t have to. Leading raids, dealing with internal squabbles and individuals, answering to the UN for the most inane of proposals by bad faith actors.

I enjoy being around my friends. The vast majority now have a different tag. The ones who retired were mostly tired long before the merge and still chat it up on Discord. Some kittens who retired have come back and apped to Fuse. The new/old Riot friends seem very cool.

This 100% was NOT a push for pixel domination. Or even a variety of pixels. Neither guild had any issue before. It’s possible that opinion was out there for some but it was not the dominant opinion (or one I even know of).

What was the reason then

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What was the reason then

General membership didn’t take a poll. Maybe it’s just something that happens 10 years after the launch of velious?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This is the end result of rooted dragons. Unroot dragons, and smaller guilds can compete again. You'd have more small elite guilds instead of just one or two large guilds.

When dragons were unrooted you'd often see 4-5 guilds competing in ToV, including Kittens.

[Tewaz]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the end result of rooted dragons. Unroot dragons, and smaller guilds can compete again. You'd have more small elite guilds instead of just one or two large guilds.

When dragons were unrooted you'd often see 4-5 guilds competing in ToV, including Kittens.

We competed on quakes.

Real problem is natural respawn windows. If those were shorter we would've competed more.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Real problem is natural respawn windows. If those were shorter we would've competed more.

Yah, I was part of a more-casual guild that also competed on Quakes, but nobody wanted to spend 16/24 hours poopsocking a window, so the natural spawns all went to the guilds with members willing to do that.

That's the real answer. Unrooting dragons would change the raid meta for the hardcore players that can answer batphones at any time of day, and have a core force willing to sock windows.

But it wouldn't open the door for more casual raiders to win targets.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But it wouldn't open the door for more casual raiders to win targets.

1 hour FTE lockouts + unrooted would - at least on repop day after a quake where spawn timers are still tight

if your guild cant do the bare minimum then yeah...you won't get shit outside of drafts and quakes

and if your guild isn't willing track, do you even have people competent enough to pull an unrooted dragon to ToV entrance? prob not

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 hour FTE lockouts + unrooted would - at least on repop day after a quake where spawn timers are still tight

if your guild cant do the bare minimum then yeah...you won't get shit outside of drafts and quakes

and if your guild isn't willing track, do you even have people competent enough to pull an unrooted dragon to ToV entrance? prob not

true, the lockouts would help. but spare time to sit at stare at a screen for hours and hours waiting for a spawn does not equate to competence in raiding. they are mutually exclusive.

in the smaller more casual guilds (that can compete on quakes), in my experience, have much tighter Ops than the large guilds that people know they can join and soak DKP without lifting a finger to help.

id rather be 1 of 2 shaman on a raid, where each shaman is a pro at timing slows and doesnt get killed - compared to 1 of 8 shaman on a raid, where 4 shaman are slowing, 3 are slowing too early, and 4 are sitting semi AFK waiting for buffs for tells.

its just that people have lives and dont have the time to sit at a screen for dozens of hours per week waiting for 25 year old raid mobs to spawn, or log in at 3am because they have discord notifications set to wake them up if King Tormax spawns over night

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the end result of rooted dragons. Unroot dragons, and smaller guilds can compete again. You'd have more small elite guilds instead of just one or two large guilds.

When dragons were unrooted you'd often see 4-5 guilds competing in ToV, including Kittens.

Kittens competed totally fine in ToV with rooted dragons. They and Riot would commonly be racing around the ring. Kittens got their fair share of Vulak and Doze, etc.

Sucks that smaller guilds can't compete, but we don't need cheesy pulling tactics that eliminate doing the zone/raids as designed. I don't remember people using these pulling tactics on live and if they'd become widespread you can bet the EQ devs would've shut it down or done something like rooting the dragons.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kittens competed totally fine in ToV with rooted dragons. They and Riot would commonly be racing around the ring. Kittens got their fair share of Vulak and Doze, etc.

Sucks that smaller guilds can't compete, but we don't need cheesy pulling tactics that eliminate doing the zone/raids as designed. I don't remember people using these pulling tactics on live and if they'd become widespread you can bet the EQ devs would've shut it down or done something like rooting the dragons.

there's also a mechanic that im not sure was present ever on p99- but Aaryonar is supposed to be aggro linked to Vulak and all his blockers.

ive only seen it happen once, but my guild in 2002 was engaged on Lady M, and Aary popped -- dude came all the way around the ring, brought all the spawns along the way and him and Lady M stomped our raid

[cd288]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there's also a mechanic that im not sure was present ever on p99- but Aaryonar is supposed to be aggro linked to Vulak and all his blockers.

ive only seen it happen once, but my guild in 2002 was engaged on Lady M, and Aary popped -- dude came all the way around the ring, brought all the spawns along the way and him and Lady M stomped our raid

Interesting. I'd be interested to see evidence that this was an intended mechanic as opposed to an aggro bug that your guild happened to experience