Moss covered Twig

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question is why do YOU keep doing this?

You're talking about epic weapons when they were not in the game and you keep talking about your damage calculator when it's NOT how things were calculated at the time. You came up with some random harebrained thesis that "moss covered twig was nerfed because of technical limitations" and you're again trying to double-down on dumb things you say and argue to death, so that you don't have to admit you're wrong.

This post shows how things were working back then - http://web.archive.org/web/200107211...23&t=000082&p=

Weapons were most commonly hitting for (double the listed damage + level mod) and minimum damage hits were the same for all weapons and happened more frequently. This made it so things were very skewed in favor of low delay weapons.

Exactly as I said, moss covered twig and barbed scale whip were outdamaging every other weapon at the time. Raiders were really mad about it, because the best weapons in game were these easy to obtain things that invalidated planar gear and everything else available.

You were the one started this new conversation by claiming I was wrong without evidence.

I believe you think too much about how Everquest was historically. I already stated earlier I wasn't an expert on Twig lore. But you didn't supply any evidence for your claims until this post. I am not sure why you assume I must agree with your historical claims when you do not provide evidence.

I also did not make a historical claim that Epic and Twig were used side-by-side. You assumed that. I just picked a 1h Kunark-Era weapon to compare weapon ratios. That weapon happened to be Epic Fist. I was looking at era-appropriate weapon ratios, not historical data.

I switched to Adamantite Club because it would get you out of your historical headspace. Adamantite Club has a better ratio, so it can replace Epic Fist in my example.

My DPS calculator uses EQEMU code, which was based off of many people backwards engineering live. I trust that they did a good job. My DPS calculator shows the same pattern, where lower delay weapons improve DPS-wise as AC increases due to damage bonus. Nobody is disagreeing with you on that point.

At the same time, many people on live weren't fighting high AC, high level mobs. Many players didn't even get to 60 before Velious came out. A weapon like Adamantite Club would have probably beaten Twig on XP mobs if Adamantite Club was easier to get based on my calculator. Is it a large margin? No, but I don't like absolute statements about Twig beating every weapon, as it hides the nuance.

As the patch notes said, Twig was too powerful for how easy it was to get. Hence the nerf.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe you think too much about how Everquest was historically.

One of the dumbest things you could possibly say. The topic of discussion was how things operated historically.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't make a factual claim about the history.

Yes you did. Your claim that twig "wasn't exceptionally special DPS-wise" is completely wrong. Stop talking about things you don't understand.