Gearing a ranger

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't need to presume all parsing questions are about which weapons are best against AoW. OP is level 51, and thus is not asking about what weapons are best for AoW.

DPS performance against raid targets is in-scope for this discussion.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are talking about weapon DPS, which is what OP asked about. OP wanted to know which weapons are better for their scenario. The damage formula works the same for all melee classes, different classes just have different skill caps and weapon options. You can use data from other melee classes as long as you adjust for skill values accordingly. I haven't been "talking about Monks for pages and pages" at all. I am talking about weapon DPS and the damage formula.

You've been talking a lot about your damage formula but you haven't done anything to answer the original question: which of those five weapons should I be using? The question has been answered to my satisfaction (keep using the Woodsman's Staff), but if you want to talk about your formula, you should explain how it answers my question.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DPS performance against raid targets is in-scope for this discussion.

Good to know. That wasn't noted in your original message.

Typically a level 51 Ranger is going to be using weapons to level. Raids typically don't want level 51 Rangers DPSing, and will ask you to switch to another character instead. It isn't a leap to assume you are mostly leveling at this stage.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been talking a lot about your damage formula but you haven't done anything to answer the original question: which of those five weapons should I be using? The question has been answered to my satisfaction (keep using the Woodsman's Staff), but if you want to talk about your formula, you should explain how it answers my question.

You should actually read my posts and you'd have that answer. You can use a damage calculator and a formula to figure out which weapons have better DPS. DPS is a factor in determining which weapon to use.

Please read next time.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good to know. That wasn't noted in your original message.

Typically a level 51 Ranger is going to be using weapons to level. Raids typically don't want level 51 Rangers DPSing, and will ask you to switch to another character instead. It isn't a leap to assume you are mostly leveling at this stage.

Asking if a Woodsman is still viable over X,Y & Z is fair. I don’t recall bcbrown saying he plans to raid at 51. Let’s not enter that into the discussion.

I’ve gone further to say it’s likely even better at 60 than people give it credit for. It was pretty solid when I was using one at 45-58 back in 2017 and with patches has only become better in the high 50’s. These conversations can happen concurrently.

The way I see it, any serious player will eventually hit 60. The ranger isn’t an easy path but it’s a fun one. If you have a viable weapon that will only become better relative to its competitors, is that better than one which will stagnate? What if those more expensive ones are currently seen as “better” when they really aren’t? Thats my curiosity in this whole thing.

The more time you are buying and selling upgrades in EC, the less time is spent plunking xp mobs. I’d rather do anything than sit around in EC or even log in a mile to try and catch a seller. It’s only slightly more fun than doing a CR.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asking if a Woodsman is still viable over X,Y & Z is fair. I don’t recall bcbrown saying he plans to raid at 51. Let’s not enter that into the discussion.

I’ve gone further to say it’s likely even better at 60 than people give it credit for. It was pretty solid when I was using one at 45-58 back in 2017 and with patches has only become better in the high 50’s. These conversations can happen concurrently.

The way I see it, any serious player will eventually hit 60. The ranger isn’t an easy path but it’s a fun one. If you have a viable weapon that will only become better relative to its competitors, is that better than one which will stagnate? What if those more expensive ones are currently seen as “better” when they really aren’t? Thats my curiosity in this whole thing.

The more time you are buying and selling upgrades in EC, the less time is spent plunking xp mobs. I’d rather do anything than sit around in EC or even log in a mile to try and catch a seller. It’s only slightly more fun than doing a CR.

I prefer to give people the best factual information possible without bias, and let them figure out what to do with it. Everybody plays the game differently.

I don't want to assume a person wouldn't like using Wurmslayer + Epic over Woodsman staff for fun. That person may decide to avoid having said fun if they think the DPS difference is significant at 51, which it almost certainly isn't given how the game works. Many weapons are cheap enough these days, so it isn't a huge lift to buy a Wurmslayer for 1.5k or w/e and try it out for a while.

This is why I don't like the general rule of thumb "2h is better". It hides a lot of nuance of the game that people may end up missing if they just follow the advise without knowing why it exists. I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment, 2h weapons post-buff got a significant boost. I just prefer to give out the facts rather than a general rule of thumb.