Swarming in CoM

[cd288]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For clarity there are 2 types of AoE spells:

• Targeted AoE spells are like you describe where they can land on up to 4 mobs and the AoE area is based on the target the spell/song lands on
  
• Point Blank AoE (PBAOE) spells/songs land on up to 25 mobs and the AoE area is based on the caster.

PBAoEs are not unique to the bard class, there are several classes that have PBAoE spells and could effectively kill mobs in groups of 25 at a time. Fear clearing comes to mind where groups routinely burn down mobs in groups of 25 in seconds.

People always make the argument they should go to a different zone, there are other places to swarm...well guess what, there are other places to EXP too. The other person could make just as strong of a case of why YOU should be the one to go elsewhere, nobody has more or less right to a zone than someone else.

Any zone you suggest that is the perfect zone for swarming in your mind you could search in this forum and find a thread about how bards shouldn't be able to swarm there and go somewhere else, the reality is people are going to go to the places that they can accomplish what they are trying to most effectively. That makes you and the bard you're angry at no different from each other.

The reality is this is just another of the same thread that repeats itself daily on the forum. A thread about entitlement. A thread about why I should get to have things that you shouldn't. A thread about why you should spend your time doing what I think is best for you, not what you think is best for you. Take it out to the extreme and the same points made in this thread are the same reason that casters shouldn't be allowed to cast spells, that healers shouldn't be allowed to heal, and that melee classes shouldn't be able to engage mobs at melee range. Its all nonsense.

Heres a really crazy idea that actually works! If you don't want other people killing mobs around you then keep all the mobs around you dead. You can't pull stuff that isn't there, you can't kite in an area that there is nothing to kite. Give someone an opportunity and they will take it. If you want to spend your life crying about other people taking advantage of opportunities you give them well then it sucks to suck and life is going to be real hard for you.

This is the dumbest take in this thread thus far. Especially the PBAoE thing...lol at that

[onmove_broke]

Make the range of Bard AoE smaller so that they cannot hit the mob without being hit themself. Or limit the ability of a Bard to AoE swarm to true outdoor zones only.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the dumbest take in this thread thus far. Especially the PBAoE thing...lol at that

Almost as dumb as crying about exp camps on P99, a server that has roughly a quarter of the population that live servers had with over half of the population being geared 60s that don't go into the majority of exp camps.

Some of the things pointed out are intentionally dumb sounding to highlight how dumb this entire thread is for existing. Analogies can be a powerful thing, for example:

Saying a Bard shouldn't be allowed to swarm in X zone is no different than saying enchanters shouldn't be able to charm pets there, that shaman shouldn't be able to root rot with their epic, that druids/wizards shouldn't be able to quad kite. These are all examples of a class using the generally accepted most efficient way to kill mobs.

I think we can all agree when you remove bard and apply this same line of thinking to other classes (some i.e. enchanter that people unanimously agree is a far more powerful class than bard) it sounds incredibly stupid. So yes I agree with you, this is in fact (one of) the dumbest threads possible.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Almost as dumb as crying about exp camps on P99, a server that has roughly a quarter of the population that live servers had with over half of the population being geared 60s that don't go into the majority of exp camps.

Some of the things pointed out are intentionally dumb sounding to highlight how dumb this entire thread is for existing. Analogies can be a powerful thing, for example:

Saying a Bard shouldn't be allowed to swarm in X zone is no different than saying enchanters shouldn't be able to charm pets there, that shaman shouldn't be able to root rot with their epic, that druids/wizards shouldn't be able to quad kite. These are all examples of a class using the generally accepted most efficient way to kill mobs.

I think we can all agree when you remove bard and apply this same line of thinking to other classes (some i.e. enchanter that people unanimously agree is a far more powerful class than bard) it sounds incredibly stupid. So yes I agree with you, this is in fact (one of) the dumbest threads possible.

To be fair people hogging spawns or camps one way or another would have been resolved in era by enforcing sharing. The core of the complaint is other players not making reasonable accomodations for sharing. Ergo I judge the complaining classic.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair people hogging spawns or camps one way or another would have been resolved in era by enforcing sharing. The core of the complaint is other players not making reasonable accomodations for sharing. Ergo I judge the complaining classic.

The complaint references kiting 60-70 mobs, this clearly demonstrates that there were plenty of opportunities for the zone to support both the existing groups and the bard. If the zone was crowded and tapped out of spawns than the bard would see there isn't even 25 mobs available and would either log out and come back later or find a different spot. Enforcing sharing is well and good, however, it would still result in the bard swarm kiting in the zone and therefore still would have resulted in another cry thread.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The complaint references kiting 60-70 mobs, this clearly demonstrates that there were plenty of opportunities for the zone to support both the existing groups and the bard. If the zone was crowded and tapped out of spawns than the bard would see there isn't even 25 mobs available and would either log out and come back later or find a different spot. Enforcing sharing is well and good, however, it would still result in the bard swarm kiting in the zone and therefore still would have resulted in another cry thread.

Think you're totally missing the point of this post overall. Most of the time the Bards are pulling mobs from camps. CoM pretty frequently has multiple camps occupied by groups. Bards roll in, grab anything a group hasn't cleared yet (even if the group is clearing with relatively good speed) and swarm it down. This is disruption, but the Bard knows that by the time a staff member could get to the petition the Bard will be done (not bashing the staff, it's hard to cover everything as an unpaid volunteer).

[Smoofers]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think you're totally missing the point of this post overall. Most of the time the Bards are pulling mobs from camps. CoM pretty frequently has multiple camps occupied by groups. Bards roll in, grab anything a group hasn't cleared yet (even if the group is clearing with relatively good speed) and swarm it down. This is disruption, but the Bard knows that by the time a staff member could get to the petition the Bard will be done (not bashing the staff, it's hard to cover everything as an unpaid volunteer).

Imagine running and crying to the referees instead of handling your issue yourself.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Smoofers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine running and crying to the referees instead of handling your issue yourself.

When did I say I wouldn't handle it myself? As usual your reading comprehension is terrible. Guessing you couldn't get into college.

And in fact, in other comments in this thread I've said I take matters into my own hands. That comment you quoted was about generally why Bards are fine committing zone disruption (but again I know it's hard for you to read).

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Smoofers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine running and crying to the referees instead of handling your issue yourself.

Oh, we got a fan of ice hockey here?

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Smoofers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine running and crying to the referees instead of handling your issue yourself.

Tagging off of a bards kite is not allowed. I found out the hard way. In city of mist.