Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Snaggles]

Again though, I don’t think anyone is trying to seriously debate a sham OR cleric. The 4th seat is up for debate here.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again though, I don’t think anyone is trying to seriously debate a sham OR cleric.

Yes. DSM is doing precisely that. He is advocating for not bringing a cleric and taking a shaman instead. Hence his argument for pocket clerics to log in for rezzes. It’s absurd.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx is back to attacking autistic people

I referred to you as our resident retard. Intellectual disability (mental retardation) and autism are very different things.

Swing and a miss …

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. DSM is doing precisely that. He is advocating for not bringing a cleric and taking a shaman instead. Hence his argument for pocket clerics to log in for rezzes. It’s absurd.



I referred to you as our resident retard. Intellectual disability (mental retardation) and autism are very different things.

Swing and a miss …

Remember I said Shaman/Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter page one. Please stop twisting my words because you are a troll.

Pocket Clerics are a reality though, so a group can use that instead if they want a different class from Cleric. A Torpor Shaman isn't a pocket character. Nor is a 60 Enchanter with full spellbook. Some classes are pocketable, like Cleric. They only need to be level 49 for CH and 90% res.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you have played the game enough, you realize….

That veiled dig. The implication that Snaggles just hasn’t played the game enough to understand what he is talking about.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again though, I don’t think anyone is trying to seriously debate a sham OR cleric. The 4th seat is up for debate here.

It does become a debate of Shaman vs Cleric if a group is playing on a server where the only ports available is if your group has it, therefore making Druid a necessity if you don't want to waste a ton of time running on foot around the entire world.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A bard would be quite good, just didn’t fit the caster/priest requirement.

Bards are casters, tbh

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are casters, tbh

Agreed, if not a segment of itself. I just didn’t know if we were bending the rule and didn’t read the rest of this novel to confirm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[bcbrown]

The OP confirmed that bards are out of scope at the same point when Troxx analysed bards. It was in the first 50 pages I think but I’m not gonna look it up.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx has lost the debate and gone back to being a troll. Unfortunate.

Please note he is still dodging the question about naming a camp where a Cleric is better.

Troxx hasn't "lost the debate", stop repeating that nonsense over and over, 99% of the time you're the one who is wrong, but you just keep going on and on with spam, ignoring what has been said and creating some fake narrative, pretending you've won a discussion when someone no longer wastes energy replying to your bullshit.

Stop trying to talk about a "pocket Cleric", that's not the point of the thread and everyone doesn't have one.

Stop acting like "torpor tanking" is some kind of special thing over a Cleric. The 4th member of the party can already be the tank if we want both pets hitting from behind. Enchanters already have slow and the Cleric already has efficient healing. This isn't the best strategy all the time anyway, because of how difficult it can be for slow to land on some targets and because of how much more damage casters take compared to a charm pet. It's often better to have the charm pets tanking and C-heal them with a Cleric.

It's obvious there are camps that benefit from the pets tanking and having a Cleric to C-heal them (including something like running around PoM and farming as many cards as possible), stop trying to act like someone is dodging a question when you're posing idiotic/pedantic questions that are generally strawmans.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The OP confirmed that bards are out of scope

Who cares about the fuggin OP, they don't own the discussion. BARDS ARE CASTERS

I'm most interested in the universe where dial-a-port doesn't exist and a group is starting on a server together. Therefore, the "best" group is Enchanter + Enchanter + Druid + Cleric.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx hasn't "lost the debate".

When you troll, you lose the debate. If Troxx was able to prove his points via logic and facts, he wouldn't need to do this.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't the best strategy all the time anyway, because of how difficult it can be for slow to land on some targets

Good thing Shamans have Malo to make this much easier.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm most interested in the universe where dial-a-port doesn't exist and a group is starting on a server together. Therefore, the "best" group is Enchanter + Enchanter + Druid + Cleric.

I would actually agree. If you had a blank server - no outside anything - and were limited to 4 characters only - all have to be casters.

This group would probably fare best and have the highest absolute quality of life. If you’re fine killing slower while still being a boss - sub in 1 ench for a necromancer. Early levels would blast by with fear kiting and you have all the backup utility, rez, corpse summon etc the necro brings along with a pet that can take some hits when charm breaks at higher levels. In the right area, 3 of 4 casters can charm.