Is a bard wrong for me?

[Keebz]

Eh, most races SoW speed? Kael and Sleeper's I guess. Sev too (but who cares).

When limited to sow speed, Ranger is good if you have LoS to max range shoot something (MOTG comes to mind), but there's not a lot of those. They also get Bind Sight and can WS their train to buy 18s, which is solid.

On the other hand, bards get better run speed in VP, planes, non-sev/tal kunark targets, get bind sight, get DA, get Deftdance (like WS), get illusion spells to change size (hfl/gnome, barb is huge) and moreover can cast said illusions while mid-race to fit through/over obstacles (kael races come to mind).

Bards are solidly S tier racers. Rangers B+. A Windstriker FTE is pure hype, though.

[Wakanda]

IDK if bards are necessarily always going to be the puller. When I play my cleric I get a little heated if the bard is pulling instead of sitting next to me playing mana song at all times 😹 in my experience though I don’t think most groups you are going to encounter are going to be super cutthroat and will understand you are new to pulling or new to certain zones. My last couple of groups have had rogue pullers even though we had a monk in the group 😹 they were just having fun.

[Surpent]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IDK if bards are necessarily always going to be the puller. When I play my cleric I get a little heated if the bard is pulling instead of sitting next to me playing mana song at all times 😹 in my experience though I don’t think most groups you are going to encounter are going to be super cutthroat and will understand you are new to pulling or new to certain zones. My last couple of groups have had rogue pullers even though we had a monk in the group 😹 they were just having fun.

Until you play with a bard pulling with a ss helm while sitting in camp singing spells. I never played a bard, but they're an insane class to be grouped with the right person playing them.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Surpent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until you play with a bard pulling with a ss helm while sitting in camp singing spells. I never played a bard, but they're an insane class to be grouped with the right person playing them.

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a bard w/o eye helm isn't really a bard

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, most races SoW speed? Kael and Sleeper's I guess. Sev too (but who cares).

When limited to sow speed, Ranger is good if you have LoS to max range shoot something (MOTG comes to mind), but there's not a lot of those. They also get Bind Sight and can WS their train to buy 18s, which is solid.

On the other hand, bards get better run speed in VP, planes, non-sev/tal kunark targets, get bind sight, get DA, get Deftdance (like WS), get illusion spells to change size (hfl/gnome, barb is huge) and moreover can cast said illusions while mid-race to fit through/over obstacles (kael races come to mind).

Bards are solidly S tier racers. Rangers B+. A Windstriker FTE is pure hype, though.

they said for FTE races, there isnt any on blue in VP, all the ones that matter are sow run speed, kael, sev, dain, ST etc. idk what green does just sayin

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they said for FTE races, there isnt any on blue in VP, all the ones that matter are sow run speed, kael, sev, dain, ST etc. idk what green does just sayin

SoW-only really isn't an issue except when it pairs up with one of the bards disadvantages (mostly no bow -- which does ruin bards for part of your list). I wouldn't get too heart set on running a particular race on a particular character; who knows when the raid rules will change either entirely or on some small detail giving a different class an advantage. Both bard and ranger toolkits give them a pretty good chance of staying usable on multiple races imo.

Unrelated to your point, but when VP dragons are unraced pulling them is a nice opportunity for bards to get out of camp. PoG and Fear are other good places where you can run around even if you didn't sock for fte.