DPS: Monk vs. Warrior vs. Rogue vs. Ranger

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Kirdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To this guy:
Um, no. Unless you are just saying that anyone can get lucky enough that they never eat a max flurry round? That would be a pretty asinine thing to suggest though. Even max HP defensive warriors (the very best tank for this encounter) can die within a 1s window vs AoW. Remove defensive and it becomes literally impossible to survive a max flurry round. (1154 x 6) + 309 = 7233 dmg in one round where no heals can possibly land between the damage.

Again, I didn't say it would be easy or advisable.

Also, why do you think AoW can hit 6x in one attack?

As far as I know, he can only hit 4 times per single attack (Double Attack + 2 Flurries). He does attack fast enough to attack multiple times per second, but a CH chain going faster than 1 second could heal between attacks.

The reason why a Warrior can die in one second is because the CH chain is a 1 second chain, not because AoW is doing 6+ hits in a single attack. This is because AoW can do multiple attacks in a second, which can add up to like 8 hits. You could theoretically heal between those attacks on a CH chain faster than a second.

[Kirdan]

You are incorrect. He can hit 6x on a flurry round (plus a bash for a little extra 7th). That is not 2 rounds in the same second. There is no way to remove that chance of death via a faster chain. Now, if you have a TON of dps and a TON of luck, then sure, maybe you avoid the worst case scenario (and many slightly less worse case scenarios that are also fatal) long enough to kill AoW with a lesser tank, but that is just not reasonably possible.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Kirdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are incorrect. He can hit 6x on a flurry round (plus a bash for a little extra 7th). That is not 2 rounds in the same second. There is no way to remove that chance of death via a faster chain. Now, if you have a TON of dps and a TON of luck, then sure, maybe you avoid the worst case scenario (and many slightly less worse case scenarios that are also fatal) long enough to kill AoW with a lesser tank, but that is just not reasonably possible.

What's the mechanic for him getting 6 hits? Does he have tripple attack (3 hits + 3 flurry triggers)?

And yes, I agree it's very tough, I never claimed otherwise.

[Kirdan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's the mechanic for him getting 6 hits? Does he have tripple attack (3 hits + 3 flurry triggers)?

And yes, I agree it's very tough, I never claimed otherwise.

I need to revise that 6 up to an 8, but it's still one flurry round. 8 round flurries are very rare but they do happen. 7 more common, 6 even more common. My understanding of the mechanics is that a flurry is up to 2 extra attacks per arm so he gets 0-4 extra swings on top of his 0-4 for a normal quad chance. As you can see, there is absolutely nothing in between the 7 and 8 swing rounds, they are not stacked rounds within the same second - they are single rounds happening instantaneously.

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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Ratadm tries to pierce The Avatar of War, but misses!
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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Leker tries to hit The Avatar of War, but misses!
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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Jabekn tries to hit The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] You try to slash The Avatar of War, but miss!
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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Ushiyama crushes The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Trooper Jhonev bashes The Avatar of War for 36 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Deathtoll crushes The Avatar of War for 31 points of damage.
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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Vertebreaker tries to pierce The Avatar of War, but misses!
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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Guard Svatek bashes The Avatar of War for 28 points of damage.
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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Fapp tries to pierce The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Ushiyama tries to crush The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Meathookk tries to crush The Avatar of War, but misses!
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[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Ratadm pierces The Avatar of War for 20 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Vertebreaker pierces The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Vertebreaker pierces The Avatar of War for 20 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Guard Svatek hits The Avatar of War for 26 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Guard Svatek tries to hit The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 16 16:52:00 2023] Galbimaru pierces The Avatar of War for 57 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Ratadm pierces The Avatar of War for 17 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Deathtoll tries to slash The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Ushiyama crushes The Avatar of War for 29 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Faynes crushes The Avatar of War for 48 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Meathookk crushes The Avatar of War for 28 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Deathtoll tries to crush The Avatar of War, but misses!
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[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
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[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Jafa crushes The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
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[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Jafa crushes The Avatar of War for 15 points of damage.
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] Jafa tries to crush The Avatar of War, but misses!
[Tue May 16 16:52:01 2023] The Avatar of War tries to bash YOU, but YOU parry!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Kirdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I need to revise that 6 up to an 8, but it's still one flurry round. 8 round flurries are very rare but they do happen. 7 more common, 6 even more common. My understanding of the mechanics is that a flurry is up to 2 extra attacks per arm so he gets 0-4 extra swings on top of his 0-4 for a normal quad chance. As you can see, there is absolutely nothing in between the 7 and 8 swing rounds, they are not stacked rounds within the same second - they are single rounds happening instantaneously.

Thanks for the logs. I have logs of him doing 8 attacks in one second as well.

The issue is logs only show seconds as the smallest time period. This means if AoW did multiple attacks in one second, you wouldn't be able to see it in the logs.

For AoW to do 6-8 simultaneous hits, we just need to be sure he could do all of that in one attack. Wiki doesn't say what skills he has like dual wield, double attack, etc.

Most mobs have double attack, so that is an easy assumption. Not all mobs have innate dual wielding though. Not sure if mobs specifically can get triple attack either.

If AoW has triple attack or innate dual wield, then yeah he could hit 6 times simultaneously if he got 3 flurry triggers.

I think flurry is only 1 extra attack per trigger, but it can trigger off of the extra attack from double attack. It could probably trigger off of a dual wield hit too. Thats how you can get 4 attacks off of a single double attack. You hit twice via double attack, and eat hit triggers a flurry.