Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I no longer care. Its become a clown show. Shoot mobs wiff ya magic. Or not.
Buuut, weapon procs are random in this instance.
JBB clicks are not. You CHOOSE when to click. The only random bit is resists or interupts. But you still choose when to instigate a click.
That is i believe where the difference is.

What's the difference between having a light on and a hardon?
You can sleep with a light on. Budum tish.

This thread has gone signficantly off the rails into why-to-do-math territory.

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[Troxx]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread has gone signficantly off the rails into why-to-do-math territory.

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Truth.

So fucking stupid.


TLDR for the “new guys”

-Racial regen is the tits
-FSI is overrated
-JBB is a poweleveling tool to the low/mod 50s. It is less relevant after that and is inevitably nothing more than a cute toy to play with

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you understand the scientific method? Controlling for as many variables as possible minus what you are looking to measure/compare?

I am really skeptical at this point man …

You haven't provided any evidence to support your position lol. What scientific method uses zero evidence?

Clearly I understand it better than you do, as I am providing real data to support my claims.

You need to provide more than trolling, insults, and nonsense if you want to claim you are doing anything remotely scientific.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truth.

So fucking stupid.


TLDR for the “new guys”

-Racial regen is the tits
-FSI is overrated
-JBB is a poweleveling tool to the low/mod 50s. It is less relevant after that and is inevitably nothing more than a cute toy to play with

Please ignore Troxx's opinions on JBB or Shaman Racials. He has no evidence to back up his opinions on JBB or Shaman Racials. He has been proven wrong and refuses to concede.

For people looking to understand the Normal Distribution of DPS on procs and white damage: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=646

For people looking to understand why JBB is better than root/rotting for leveling from 45-60 on a Shaman without Epic: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=523

For people looking to understand why FSI is the MinMax option on Shamans: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=311

[7thGate]

DSM, you're not correct about the DOT calculation.

For DD procs, you can just do a straight average of PPM * damage per proc to get expected damage per minute, because the timing doesn't change it at all. This is because with each success valued the same regardless of sequencing, the mean of a binomial distribution is just the probability of success * number of swings, and the PPM system sets the probability of success such that this always comes out to the number of PPM.

This is not the case with a DOT proc because every proc is not equally valuable, you have to calculate the contribution each branch makes to the average individually and sum them to get the correct average. BCBrown is correct in his analysis. I have no idea why you're just averaging the timing and assuming that's correct when there's a nonlinear impact from the different samples in the distribution.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are discussing the 18 second example, you have a 31.2% chance to proc per fight, as we always assume 3 hits.

You don't have a 31.2% chance to proc with three swings at 10.4% each, you have a 29.07% chance. You get 0.312 procs of expected value, but 0.0213 of them are bound up in the cases where you proc two or three times out of the three swings, so your chances of proccing at least once are only 29.07%.

You gave it a good shot, bcbrown.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using simple math: 31.2 / 3 = 10.4%. He simply didn't catch this because he wasn't focused on the solution.

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have a 31.2% chance to proc with three swings at 10.4% each, you have a 29.07% chance. You get 0.312 procs of expected value, but 0.0213 of them are bound up in the cases where you proc two or three times out of the three swings, so your chances of proccing at least once are only 29.07%.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Please explain how Normal Distributions and Uniform Distributions work in comparison to Binomial Distributions. We are getting closer! He has conceded that Binomial Distributions are not the only way to calculate averages, since he admits Normal Distributions exist.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread has gone signficantly off the rails into why-to-do-math territory.

Every thread with topics such as "best race for ____ class" and "FSI vs. Regen" will always devolve into MathQuest and "I'm right you're wrong"Quest. A common denominator within all the threads exists, a poster perhaps, that might be the source of this corruption.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every thread with topics such as "best race for ____ class" and "FSI vs. Regen" will always devolve into MathQuest and "I'm right you're wrong"Quest. A common denominator within all the threads exists, a poster perhaps, that might be the source of this corruption.

The "I'm right you're wrong" Questers are the problem indeed. That is Trolls like Troxx who cannot back up their claims with evidence, and thus resort to trolling to try and bully people into submission. Trolls also band together, as they use Argumentum Ad Populum fallacy as a weapon. "5 people disagree, therefore you are wrong".