Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

[Danth]

Did you keep track of average actions-per-minute between the two play styles? It was a long thread; I might've missed it. To me that's more important than a few seconds here or there in average killspeed. How much labor is the JBB saving?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you keep track of average actions-per-minute between the two play styles? It was a long thread; I might've missed it. To me that's more important than a few seconds here or there in average killspeed. How much labor is the JBB saving?

The DoTing Shaman requires a lot more labor. You have to never miss a server tick when casting spells that are under 6 seconds, even in combat when you can't really do that easily. You have to cast 10x cannibalizes and 5x spells per encounter minimum, plus you have to always be ready to deal with root breaks and spell resists.

JBB Shaman turns on auto attack, slows, sometimes roots to let the pet tank if they need to reduce a bit of damage, and press JBB every 8 seconds.

Both Shamans need to recast Regrowth, Celerity, and Cannibalize once every 15 minutes, with the DoTing Shaman needing to cast an additional Regrowth on the pet.

Basically my example for the DoTing Shaman was assuming the perfect scenario: You never fizzle, never get spell resists, never get root breaks, never take damage (even once), and you never miss a server tick.

This is why JBB is better. You end up saving quite a bit of mana and effort from not having to deal with most of that stuff.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The DoTing Shaman requires a lot more labor.

Right. I was curious if you tried to put it into exact values for expected actions-per-minute in the manner that you did the kill-rate calculation down to the second. We know the JBB is less actions, but how much less? Is it five per cent less, or ten per cent, or fifty per cent less, or something in the middle?

If not, that's fine too, I'm not about to specifically ask someone to add up something I could do myself if I was sufficiently motivated. Just checking if you already calculated that as part of tyhe simulation.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right. I was curious if you tried to put it into exact values for expected actions-per-minute in the manner that you did the kill-rate calculation down to the second. We know the JBB is less actions, but how much less? Is it five per cent less, or ten per cent, or fifty per cent less, or something in the middle?

If not, that's fine too, I'm not about to specifically ask someone to add up something I could do myself if I was sufficiently motivated. Just checking if you already calculated that as part of tyhe simulation.

I didn't actually, but I can do a quick calculation.

You would cast 22 spells on average for the JBB Shaman. 20/22 of those spells are JBB. You are pressing 4 buttons for slow + root, as you are also clicking your GCD item once each. 20 buttons for JBB, and 1 button for pet attack. Roughly 25 buttons over 2 minutes of combat. Then you press sit and rest for 1 minute. 26 Actions over 3 minutes I would say, or 8.66.

You would cast 15 spells on average for the DoTing Shaman. Each of these spells requires a GCD click, so that is 30 buttons minimum (assuming you have a macro for canni dance) and 1 for pet attack. 31 actions over 3 minutes I woul say, or 10.33. Maybe 32 if you need to sit manually after your final spell if it was not canni dance.

Neither of these numbers are very big, so I wouldn't say the APM difference matters too much. It is all the other things I mentioned before that really widen the gap between JBB and DoTing.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you keep track of average actions-per-minute between the two play styles? It was a long thread; I might've missed it. To me that's more important than a few seconds here or there in average killspeed. How much labor is the JBB saving?

One is a click (action) every 8 seconds after the mob is in camp for 130-140 seconds 16-17 clicks + maybe a root once it runs over the course of 130-140 seconds

The other is 1 root, 3 dots (4 actions) and 10 casts of canni IV over 188 seconds (14 actions).

What each shaman does to get the mob into camp (pull it slow it etc) is the same.

The dotting approach is fewer actions per minute. The JBB is more mindless in terms of actions/timing.

Canni dancing is not difficult. If you haven’t figured out how to do it by level 55+, there’s a lack of brain cells in the equation. It was muscle memory for me within a few hours of getting the first canni spell.