Bards Vs. Enchanters

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They can do a lot of the things a chanter can do, but are limited by thier short song duration. For instance a bard mezzing two or three mobs can not do anything else while the chanter is locking down mobs, providing haste and mana, and adding dps with their charmed pet.

A competent bard should be able to twist up to 4 songs at once, so yeah you can easily mez 2-3 mobs while playing haste. I think one of the main strengths of Bards that's overlooked is their pulling ability though, they are easily the best pullers in exp groups with lull, singing steel helm, selo's for outdoor zones, cc spells they can cast while moving, and other tools. Bards are able to chain pull very reliably without sacrificing any DPS (like when a monk pulls) and usually without even needing to CC since they should be able to get only single pulls. Even if they can't CC or provide mana/haste as reliably as enchanters I'd still prefer a good bard over an average enchanter, and I'd guess that groups that use competent Bards as pullers get much faster exp than groups that don't.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if they can't CC or provide mana/haste as reliably as enchanters I'd still prefer a good bard over an average enchanter, and I'd guess that groups that use competent Bards as pullers get much faster exp than groups that don't.

Actually an enchanter can pull as well as a bard if they know how (just not with selos obviously) and keep mana regen/haste/CC up as well.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually an enchanter can pull as well as a bard if they know how (just not with selos obviously) and keep mana regen/haste/CC up as well.

The fact that Bards have an eye of zomm clickie + the ability to move while casting spells (in case of a lull resist or something) makes this extremely unlikely.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that Bards have an eye of zomm clickie + the ability to move while casting spells (in case of a lull resist or something) makes this extremely unlikely.

Moving while casting spells sure,

Elder holgresh beads in SoV evens the playing field.

[SearyxTZ]

Bards are better because I play one



I know many popular indie songs

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually an enchanter can pull as well as a bard if they know how (just not with selos obviously) and keep mana regen/haste/CC up as well.

not to mention the dps the charmed dual wielding hasted pet adds. Probably more than three bards would.

Any xp group only has to worry about breaking camp once. Bards don't pull any better than any other class with pacify indoors, and are worse at splitting spawns than any class with feign. I would never take someone in an xp group for pulling ability. That is an incredibly minor part of an xp group.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not to mention the dps the charmed dual wielding hasted pet adds. Probably more than three bards would.

Any xp group only has to worry about breaking camp once. Bards don't pull any better than any other class with pacify indoors, and are worse at splitting spawns than any class with feign. I would never take someone in an xp group for pulling ability. That is an incredibly minor part of an xp group.

It depends on the situation. In howling stones having a good puller (one who can pull through paintings/avoid 500 damage unresistable HT's etc.) is a big deal and can greatly increase the number of mobs the group gets per spawn cycle. That's just one example. I also never said to take them based on their pulling ability alone - take Bards because they are the best pullers in addition to being extremely good at CC. Or invite an enchanter instead because they are the best CC and still decent at pulling, whatever. Just recognize that both classes are very useful to have and a good Bard will pull their weight much better than an average enchanter. As for the other stuff you said, just refer to my previous posts.

edit: also, bard songs don't cost mana. Just sayin'.