Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

[Troxx]

Unless there’s a lot of down time, I don’t bother keeping my health fully 100% just for the sake of being 100% hp. Capitalizing on that continuous regen means I literally do not have to torpor as often or canni back the mana spent from casting said torpor.

If I’m casually soloing, why bother. Let the regen do its thing and save some torpor casts (mana cost and time spent casting). It’s mana that could be spent on buffs, debuffs, dotting, etc. It’s the same with grouping 99% of the time. I’ll canni to keep the spells rolling but unless it’s dangerous to do so, I won’t bother with torpor until I know I will get the full scope of the heal and still be under 100%.

For routine play I spend most of my time not at 100% health.

If I have nothing better to do with my time? No spells to cast or other actions to take? Well … there is value in doing nothing! Sit my fat ass down and double my regen or get some med ticks in. Shamans (like bards) can be a very busy, very high APM class to play. There is value in just giving yourself a break.

The only times I’m OCD about staying topped off fully and clicking furiously with super high APM is when I’m soloing something challenging or my group/raid’s needs demand it.

Best lesson I learned as a leveling troll shaman? Never (ever) be full health unless you’re also full mana. Never be full mana if there is a buff you could refresh now (while full) vs waiting 5 minutes for it to drop. I also took pride in never making my melees have to ask for a haste.

Full health = waste, turn it into mana
Full mana = waste - translate it into something better

I honestly liked to tread water around 80% health and mana. If it climbed much above that it was generally because we had a lot of unexpected down time.

That emphasis changed obviously with torpor as playing efficiently became less important, but I digress.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless there’s a lot of down time, I don’t bother keeping my health fully 100% just for the sake of being 100% hp. Capitalizing on that continuous regen means I literally do not have to torpor as often or canni back the mana spent from casting said torpor.

If I’m casually soloing, why bother. Let the regen do its thing and save some torpor casts (mana cost and time spent casting). It’s mana that could be spent on buffs, debuffs, dotting, etc. It’s the same with grouping 99% of the time. I’ll canni to keep the spells rolling but unless it’s dangerous to do so, I won’t bother with torpor until I know I will get the full scope of the heal and still be under 100%.

For routine play I spend most of my time not at 100% health.

If I have nothing better to do with my time? No spells to cast or other actions to take? Well … there is value in doing nothing! Sit my fat ass down and double my regen or get some med ticks in. Shamans (like bards) can be a very busy, very high APM class to play. There is value in just giving yourself a break.

The only times I’m OCD about staying topped off fully and clicking furiously with super high APM is when I’m soloing something challenging or my group/raid’s needs demand it.

Then you are playing inefficiently. There is nothing wrong with that. This is a game, play it how you want! But playing inefficiently is not Min/Max, so it is irrelevant to the topic of Min/Maxing. Iksar/Troll Regen is not Min/Max simply because you are too lazy to Torpor/Cannibalize.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly liked to tread water around 80% health and mana. If it climbed much above that it was generally because we had a lot of unexpected down time.

This is bad advice, because you die quickly at level 60 when in dangerous zones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZxMlJSCDc - Torporing takes 3 minutes or less to get back to full HP/Mana. Running around a zone like WW at 80% HP to justify your racial choice is just reckless, and will end up costing you more time when you need to make a corpse run.

Everybody agrees that Regen is better before Torpor. Everybody agrees you want to keep passive regeneration active before you get Torpor. That is not relevant to Min/Max discussions, where you have Torpor.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is bad advice, because you die quickly at level 60 when in dangerous zones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZxMlJSCDc - Torporing takes 3 minutes or less to get back to full HP/Mana. Running around a zone like WW at 80% HP just to try and justify your racial choice is just reckless, and will end up costing you more time when you need to make a corpse run.

Dude I said as a LEVELING SHAMAN. Not as a 60 shaman doing a hard solo kill.

Learn to fucking read. I addressed that scenario earlier in that post.

Jesus Christ

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude I said as a LEVELING SHAMAN. Not as a 60 shaman doing a hard solo kill.

Learn to fucking read. I addressed that scenario earlier in that post.

Jesus Christ

I already agreed that Regen is better while leveling:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everybody agrees that Regen is better before Torpor. Everybody agrees you want to keep passive regeneration active before you get Torpor. That is not relevant to Min/Max discussions, where you have Torpor.

You keep talking off topic about leveling a Shaman in a Min/Max discussion. Leveling has nothing to do with what racial is objectively the best from a Min/Max perspective.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you have accomplished that you can get anything done even in scrub gear like mine. We have established that there is nothing an ogre or troll shaman can do that a barbarian can’t.

Irrelevant to the Min/Max discussion too. You can still determine which racial is objectively the best, with the understanding that it is not necessary.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Min/max for shaman is being 60 and having torpor.

Correct. This is not a level 50 Shaman who is still leveling.