The best bard on the raid should be in the tank group

[Naethyn]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what qualifies you as the best bard , asking for myself

The tank group always gets the "extra" bard without epic and other cool stuff. Epic improves DS damage. The mana component of manasong is not affected by epic so these top tier bards are completely wasted in the cleric group. The extra bard should go in the cleric group.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tank group always gets the "extra" bard without epic and other cool stuff. Epic improves DS damage. The mana component of manasong is not affected by epic so these top tier bards are completely wasted in the cleric group. The extra bard should go in the cleric group.

the only mob today where this actually matters is aow

everything else is being killed with numbers far more than necessary

[7thGate]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only mob today where this actually matters is aow

everything else is being killed with numbers far more than necessary

Matters for Vindi sometimes. How many people show up for Vindi varies a lot by guild and time of day. Its possible for even Riot to fail to muster for a 3 AM Vindi, and plenty of kills go down with 20 people where a Bard DSing the Tank/Ramp Tank is relevant.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Matters for Vindi sometimes. How many people show up for Vindi varies a lot by guild and time of day. Its possible for even Riot to fail to muster for a 3 AM Vindi, and plenty of kills go down with 20 people where a Bard DSing the Tank/Ramp Tank is relevant.

yeah but nobody gives a shit about vindi

[7thGate]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah but nobody gives a shit about vindi

Eh, Vindi's average DKP spend is higher than a decent chunk of the raid targets in the game in my experience. We killed Vindi 136 times last year in Sanctum and hes still a 50-60 dkp average spend; people want this drops. In terms of DKP value paid out its like 40 Vindis to a Vulak for us. Its just spread out improving 40 people's alts/low attendance mains vs. upgrading 3 dedicated players.

I bet if "All the Vindis" was a draft option, it would go early round 2 most of the time. 21 Vindis is pretty decent value vs. a single NToV dragon, even if its not quite competitive with top tier targets.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, Vindi's average DKP spend is higher than a decent chunk of the raid targets in the game in my experience. We killed Vindi 136 times last year in Sanctum and hes still a 50-60 dkp average spend; people want this drops. In terms of DKP value paid out its like 40 Vindis to a Vulak for us. Its just spread out improving 40 people's alts/low attendance mains vs. upgrading 3 dedicated players.

I bet if "All the Vindis" was a draft option, it would go early round 2 most of the time. 21 Vindis is pretty decent value vs. a single NToV dragon, even if its not quite competitive with top tier targets.

Any number of 8 hour respawns is never worth a weeklong respawn.

Stop the fucking.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, Vindi's average DKP spend is higher than a decent chunk of the raid targets in the game in my experience. We killed Vindi 136 times last year in Sanctum and hes still a 50-60 dkp average spend; people want this drops. In terms of DKP value paid out its like 40 Vindis to a Vulak for us. Its just spread out improving 40 people's alts/low attendance mains vs. upgrading 3 dedicated players.

I bet if "All the Vindis" was a draft option, it would go early round 2 most of the time. 21 Vindis is pretty decent value vs. a single NToV dragon, even if its not quite competitive with top tier targets.

in what guild? bp's go for 1 dkp in riot

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in what guild? bp's go for 1 dkp in riot

You agree that "draft all the Vindis" is a terrible choice, yes?

[7thGate]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in what guild? bp's go for 1 dkp in riot

Sanctum. Median vindi bp going for 125 dkp, 60 boots, 40 earring. For comparison cleric sky neck median was 25, my massive heartwood thorn was 850 and the most expensive item we've had was a 1300 dkp Ruby tear.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tank group always gets the "extra" bard without epic and other cool stuff. Epic improves DS damage. The mana component of manasong is not affected by epic so these top tier bards are completely wasted in the cleric group. The extra bard should go in the cleric group.

Troxx is right.