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Old 12-06-2023, 07:24 PM
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You can still hit 201 INT with an Iksar in EC gear and free rot drops while also focusing on HP. A Necro can easily farm the money for this stuff just by killing guards while leveling.

Casters get 2.4 HP per STA, and 5.5 Mana per INT (over 200) at level 60. With 25 STA/5 INT on starting stats, you are looking at +60 HP vs. +138 Mana before you cap your INT with buffs and slightly better gear. After you cap INT you are getting +60 HP instead of +0 Mana.
Except most people aren't twinking a Necro to that extent. I made what I consider a much more realistically and cheaply geared Necro twink:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:RealNecca

I have more HP and about 200 less mana than your example with probably a quarter of your budget or less. This is how you can feasibly gear when pumping INT at creation. That being said, I think you can reasonably argue for pumping STA if you know you are going to be heavily twinked from the beginning and are confident you will be pushing the character to 60 and acquiring raid gear, because it's true that the extra INT becomes meaningless at the very late game. But if you're an average player either making a Necro from scratch or just messing around with a reasonably geared twink, I think you're much better off pumping INT.
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Old 12-06-2023, 09:22 PM
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Except most people aren't twinking a Necro to that extent. I made what I consider a much more realistically and cheaply geared Necro twink:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:RealNecca

I have more HP and about 200 less mana than your example with probably a quarter of your budget or less. This is how you can feasibly gear when pumping INT at creation. That being said, I think you can reasonably argue for pumping STA if you know you are going to be heavily twinked from the beginning and are confident you will be pushing the character to 60 and acquiring raid gear, because it's true that the extra INT becomes meaningless at the very late game. But if you're an average player either making a Necro from scratch or just messing around with a reasonably geared twink, I think you're much better off pumping INT.
You don't need to start your Necro with that much gear. They can start naked and level naked. You can make 10k every 40 hours just from killing guards while leveling. You can also shave like 10k off my Magelo with just a few swaps. You don't need Djarn's, you can use a Sandwitch of Foul Smelling Herbs, etc. You'd only lose 25 HP from those two swaps. Getting 30K or more just from leveling by killing guards is very realistic on a Necromancer. I did this on my Shadowknight.

Your Magelo is great for a tighter budget, but it doesn't really show why going INT for your starting stats is better. INT is still easy to cap, easier than STA. Your STA is 87 points behind your INT. The default assumption should be that you are going to level to 60, since that is how the leveling mechanic works. Usually people who aren't getting to 60 are either making bots for Vox/Naggy, or are very casual. If you are very casual, starting stats don't really matter, because INT and STA scale with level. You aren't getting much HP or Mana from your stats anyway if you are the type of player that stops at level 25.

EDIT: Also it looks like Magelo's HP calculations are off, for cloth casters at least. If I add +14 STA by swapping my boots to Netted Kelp Lined Shoes for example, I only get +23 HP. This is clearly wrong, so my Magelo is showing lower HP than it should, with +29 STA over yours. My example would probably have a bit more HP than yours if the calculations were correct.
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Old 12-06-2023, 09:58 PM
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EDIT: Also it looks like Magelo's HP calculations are off, for cloth casters at least. If I add +14 STA by swapping my boots to Netted Kelp Lined Shoes for example, I only get +23 HP. This is clearly wrong, so my Magelo is showing lower HP than it should, with +29 STA over yours. My example would probably have a bit more HP than yours if the calculations were correct.
Not sure if this exists somewhere players can edit but the wiki magelo seems to errantly give only half returns for sta over ~127.5 https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...lo#post3484218
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