Shadow knight aggro

[greatdane]

Taunt only does anything if someone else has aggro. Don't put it in a macro, you'll waste it 97% of the time. You use taunt when you need aggro and don't already have it, not to build an aggro buffer. Bad tanks blow their taunt for no reason. Good tanks save it for when they need to take aggro from someone else. If your taunt is on cooldown when you lose aggro, you played badly.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taunt only does anything if someone else has aggro. Don't put it in a macro, you'll waste it 97% of the time. You use taunt when you need aggro and don't already have it, not to build an aggro buffer. Bad tanks blow their taunt for no reason. Good tanks save it for when they need to take aggro from someone else. If your taunt is on cooldown when you lose aggro, you played badly.

Sure you do put it in a macro. You put it in an attack off, taunt, bash, disarm, attack on macro so you can have a successful taunt, followed by a full round of attacks and a bit more aggro from bash/disarm. When you need to take aggro you press the button.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taunt only does anything if someone else has aggro. Don't put it in a macro, you'll waste it 97% of the time. You use taunt when you need aggro and don't already have it, not to build an aggro buffer. Bad tanks blow their taunt for no reason. Good tanks save it for when they need to take aggro from someone else. If your taunt is on cooldown when you lose aggro, you played badly.

You are also "wasting" taunt by not using it. Taunt has a fast enough cooldown to where it can be spammed, and then used more strategically when necessary. The main benefit to spamming taunt is you can get hate back instantly if it happens to be timed right, and you don't have to think about it. This frees up your brain to focus on other things.

Remember that SK's have snap agro, which can be used outside of melee range, and it is more consistent than taunt. A good SK is going to use snap agro when they lose agro, instead of relying on taunt. You could waste precious seconds by trying to run into melee range to taunt first before starting to cast your snap agro spell.

If your group is constantly taking agro from you (and you aren't doing anything wrong), then saving taunt can be a good strategy. But honestly the bigger problem in that case is figuring out why you are always losing agro. Your ability to hit the taunt button at the proper time isn't the issue at that point.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are also "wasting" taunt by not using it.

Lol.

No.

/facepalm

The only time I spam taunt or tether it to a macro is when I make a new character and want to mindlessly level it up. Tether it to kick/bash/slam and forget about it. Once you have taunt properly leveled, it should sit there unused until it NEEDS to be used.

I understand this button is a lot less crucial for knights but damn … this isn’t rocket surgery. If you’re already at the top of the aggro list, it does nothing. If you constantly spam it there’s a one in six chance you won’t have it up the instant you need it most … with a 1-5 second wait before you can use it again. If it fails the first time, you now have a 7-11 second wait for the second taunt instead of a faster 6 second 2nd attempt.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand this button is a lot less crucial for knights but damn … this isn’t rocket surgery. If you’re already at the top of the aggro list, it does nothing. If you constantly spam it there’s a one in six chance you won’t have it up the instant you need it most … with a 1-5 second wait before you can use it again. If it fails the first time, you now have a 7-11 second wait for the second taunt instead of a faster 6 second 2nd attempt.

That’s why it is stupid.

I stated the “why” 32 pages ago. Regardless, no amount of logic or reason will ever convince you of anything once you have dug in a position. Heck, we’ve since had 32 pages of people trying.

This is the perfect example of a “DSM Thread”.

This is a weird hill to die on. Arguably your stupidest ever … and that is saying a lot.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s why it is stupid.

I stated the “why” 32 pages ago. Regardless, no amount of logic or reason will ever convince you of anything once you have dug in a position. Heck, we’ve since had 32 pages of people trying.

This is the perfect example of a “DSM Thread”.

This is a weird hill to die on. Arguably your stupidest ever … and that is saying a lot.

I already factually disproved all of the arguments you made on page 2 here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=140

What else do you have argument-wise? So far "you are stupid" is all you have, which is irrelevant.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already factually disproved all of the arguments you made on page 2 here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=140.

Troxx is arguing that using taunt strategically is better than spamming it:

If you constantly spam it there’s a one in six chance you won’t have it up the instant you need it most … with a 1-5 second wait before you can use it again. If it fails the first time, you now have a 7-11 second wait for the second taunt instead of a faster 6 second 2nd attempt.

In that post, you explicitly concede that the approach Troxx prefers is more optimal:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that spamming taunt has a lower chance of success on the first taunt, including myself. Nor have I ever argued otherwise

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx is arguing that using taunt strategically is better than spamming it:

In that post, you explicitly concede that the approach Troxx prefers is more optimal:

Cool. Nobody is making a counter argument to that point. I cannot concede an argument I never made. Please stop lying about my arguments. Repeating strawmen over and over is not a valid way to win an argument.

If you want to claim you won a debate nobody was having, that doesn't seem like much of an accomplishment.

My argument has been to rebut this statement made by Troxx and others:

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand this button is a lot less crucial for knights but damn … this isn’t rocket surgery. If you’re already at the top of the aggro list, it [taunt] does nothing.

Saying spamming taunt does nothing is factually incorrect, and I have disproven it utterly:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=140

I have been consistent since page 2:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...9&postcount=14

I also admitted a few of my later posts were worded poorly.

I am not sure why people want to deny that spamming taunt has it's uses. Knowing your options for using taunt is a good thing.

[Stonewallx39]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taunt only does anything if someone else has aggro. Don't put it in a macro, you'll waste it 97% of the time. You use taunt when you need aggro and don't already have it, not to build an aggro buffer. Bad tanks blow their taunt for no reason. Good tanks save it for when they need to take aggro from someone else. If your taunt is on cooldown when you lose aggro, you played badly.

I mained a warrior to 60 so I’m pretty familiar with how taunt works. As a knight I mostly use my spells for aggro purposes. If I’m casting my aggro spell via the macro I’m trying to get aggro back, which taunt could help with gaining immediately without having to wait for the spell to land. Then when the spell lands it should theoretically push me further up the aggro list.

Now if I already have aggro and I’m just sinking more in then yeah it doesn’t do much so usually just click my binding for the raw spell or accept that I wasted a click of taunt (which I’m not so concerned with as I’ll just cast a spell via my macro to get aggro back).