shaman duo

[Danth]

Haven't posted in months--I'm inactive on P99 for now--but this thread is relevant to me so l'll chime in. I played a shadowknight on P99, paired with my wife's shaman, for many years, and we certainly pushed the limit of our duo as far as we cared to, and farther than most.

Monk/Shaman levels faster than SK/Shaman. This should not be in dispute. The average hourl exp rate difference is not as large as might be expected, however, so a human or dark elf SK paired with a barbarian shaman should be competive with say, Iksar monk/shaman.

At level 60 once levels don't matter overmuch they're pretty much interchangeable. They'll do all the same camps. The SK is favored in some areas, the Monk-based duo has an advantage in others, but in over ten years I never found an area the monk-based duo could do, that my wife and I couldn't. The SK has an easier time keeping aggro when the shaman has to spam slow back-to-back against resistant creatures like guardian wurms, Bledrek/Kerdelb, and such things, and also has an easier time splitting where snare splits are desired. Monk-based duo's get it done too, so it's not an insurmountable problem. The Monk offers a faster killspeed, especially if the SK doesn't use his pet (say, WW dragons), and doesn't need to meditate but again, we kill the same ones too, if just a little slower.

Attached is an image from over a decade ago of my wife root-rotting multiple mobs in a leveling duo with my SK, just to show some people actually do that sort of thing.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven’t seen many if any wipes from a sham/monk duo due to aggro and inability to land slow. Typically at that level of gameplay where a slow is critically needed to succeed - both players are seasoned enough that they know how to roll with the punches. Wipes under these circumstances is honestly a player skill issue.

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I've watched exactly that happen enough times to agree it's a potential limitation that he was right to bring up. Slow aggro may even be the most common cause of failure for monk/shaman in the toughest areas. That being said, it's also a manageable limitation that won't actually stop monk/shaman from doing the same encounters, even if they might die once in awhile due to bad RNG rolls on chain resists. SK also has an easier time kiting from a distance for a pre-slow if you want to take that route, like for Lodizal duo. Shaman/Monk get it done too so none of it's insurmountable. These are also very specific, difficult types of duo content that most player duos seldom or never attempt. For more ordinary areas it's a nonissue.

DN pebala ratmen was a tough one for us to figure out to do duo. Snare was pretty important there, root being less desired due to unstunable gaters. Monk based duo could manage it but at a disadvantage. Most people will do that type of area only as part of a larger group or small raid. SK had a slight theoretical advantage in Charasis due to more HP for soaking multiple-mob harm touches, but in practice the monk-based duo is stronger there due to faster killrate making it easier to keep ahead of that zone's fast respawn rate.

[Snaggles]

If I was going to duo a sham and SK I would probably roll Cazic for diety. The symbol quests would make fear kiting in those early levels far better until slow/heal is more efficient. Could even go Iksar with some faction work.

I like my Inny troll for the clinging darkness neck and halfling mask but more in theory. I seldom use those.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Discipl...of_Cazic_Thule
https://wiki.project1999.com/Initiat...of_Cazic_Thule

A warrior or rogue with a snare proc weapon would work nice too. This ratio is hot garbage but level 15 proc is quite nice.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Glaive_of_Marltek

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think I am wrong, the solution is to present counter-evidence and logic. You have 350+ posts of literally nothing other than insults. It's over half of your entire post history. That is the only disservice here, you have completely discredited yourself and wasted peoples time with your posts.

I mean, if you're going to try to go into another rant at me, at least try to stop saying lies like "wasted people's time". I was arguing with you in those threads, DSM. You wanted to respond to me, so get off your high horse.

Please, for the love of God, just grow up for once in your life.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, if you're going to try to go into another rant at me, at least try to stop saying lies like "wasted people's time". I was arguing with you in those threads, DSM. You wanted to respond to me, so get off your high horse.

Please, for the love of God, just grow up for once in your life.

You spent 350+ posts ranting and raving. It was a waste of time. Danth posted a screenshot of people root rotting in a duo over 10 years ago. Looks like your assumption that nobody does this was wrong. Are you willing to grow up and admit you were wrong?

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haven't posted in months--I'm inactive on P99 for now--but this thread is relevant to me so l'll chime in. I played a shadowknight on P99, paired with my wife's shaman, for many years, and we certainly pushed the limit of our duo as far as we cared to, and farther than most.

Monk/Shaman levels faster than SK/Shaman. This should not be in dispute. The average hourl exp rate difference is not as large as might be expected, however, so a human or dark elf SK paired with a barbarian shaman should be competive with say, Iksar monk/shaman.

At level 60 once levels don't matter overmuch they're pretty much interchangeable. They'll do all the same camps. The SK is favored in some areas, the Monk-based duo has an advantage in others, but in over ten years I never found an area the monk-based duo could do, that my wife and I couldn't. The SK has an easier time keeping aggro when the shaman has to spam slow back-to-back against resistant creatures like guardian wurms, Bledrek/Kerdelb, and such things, and also has an easier time splitting where snare splits are desired. Monk-based duo's get it done too, so it's not an insurmountable problem. The Monk offers a faster killspeed, especially if the SK doesn't use his pet (say, WW dragons), and doesn't need to meditate but again, we kill the same ones too, if just a little slower.

Attached is an image from over a decade ago of my wife root-rotting multiple mobs in a leveling duo with my SK, just to show some people actually do that sort of thing.

Thanks for the post btw Danth. Level headed and informative as always!

[Gloomlord]

Do you realise I was talking about the thread where you said 2 Enchanters and 1 Cleric would prefer a root rotting Shaman over a Magician? That was one of the audacious arguments I was talking about.

I didn't say root rotting was an unviable tactic for leveling, did I? You're putting words into my mouth, which is a specialty of yours, isn't it?

You're crazy, DSM. I mean that, genuinely.

Edit: Ah, yes. Another stealth edit from the legend. If I was ranting and raving, hypocrite, then don't respond.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you realise I was talking about the thread where you said 2 Enchanters and 1 Cleric would prefer a root rotting Shaman over a Magician? That was one of the audacious arguments I was talking about.

I didn't say root rotting was an unviable tactic for leveling, did I? You're putting words into my mouth, which is a specialty of yours, isn't it?

You're crazy, DSM. I mean that, genuinely.

I am not putting words in your mouth. If you can root rot in a duo (which is a group), you can root rot in a group of 4 people. If you agree a shaman can root rot in a duo, you agree a shaman can root rot in a group of four people. I am not sure why this concept is so difficult for you.

The only person twisting people's words is yourself. I never told people to "prefer" one type of DPS over the other. Each group can take whatever classes they want. My argument has always been that a Shaman can output pretty good DPS if the group wants the shaman to act as a pure DPS role in a group. You are the one making stuff up about my arguments lol.

[Gloomlord]

Are we really going to have this conversation again, DSM? Do I, or anyone else here, need to explain to you AGAIN why a charm group does not want a root rotting Shaman?

Fuck it! Why don't we throw your stupid comebacks right back at you?!

1000+ posts of trolling nonsense from an insane child. You've discredited yourself, DSM!!!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are we really going to have this conversation again, DSM? Do I, or anyone else here, need to explain to you AGAIN why a charm group does not want a root rotting Shaman?

Fuck it! Why don't we throw your stupid comebacks right back at you?!

1000+ posts of trolling nonsense from an insane child. You've discredited yourself, DSM!!!

Thanks for continuing to show you are just a ranting and raving troll. Please stop posting off topic nonsense every time you see me posting in a thread. It just looks crazy. You don't have to follow me around and rehash an argument you lost. It's ok to be wrong.

[Gloomlord]

It's fine when you say stupid things to discredit people, but it's not fine when they throw it back at you.

Moral myopia, DSM. Look into it!

Guess 20+ people lost in that thread against you, didn't they? Truly you are an EQ genius at work when you suggested root rotting in a charm group.

Whatever helps you endure yourself everyday, I suppose.