Project Quarm - 1 Box Planes of Power

[loramin]

Look, I don't have strong opinions on rules enforcement on emulated EQ servers .. I truly don't. I just see an unsolved problem.

I also agree: anti-cheats are invasive, and (all else being equal) invasive solutions are worse. I've even previously agreed that MQ-based cheating can be solved without the need for invasive anti-cheats.

But, I just don't see how a petition/GM-only system can solve ShowEQ. If the server sends info to the client (like which nameds are up), there's nothing to stop another program on that client (eg. ShowEQ) from seeing it ... and if someone abuses that info, there's no way to detect it (without anti-cheats).

So, I'm not at all saying "Quarm must use an anti-cheat". If Secrets could (say) limit the server so that it only sends data on NPCs nearby, it would solve ShowEQ without the need for anti-cheats.

But without some plan to address ShowEQ, it feels like you anyone saying "Quarm won't have cheaters" is just doing this:

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[Secrets]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I'm not at all saying "Quarm must use an anti-cheat". If Secrets could (say) limit the server so that it only sends data on NPCs nearby, it would solve ShowEQ without the need for anti-cheats.

But without some plan to address ShowEQ, it feels like you anyone saying "Quarm won't have cheaters" is just doing this

The server already sends data on NPCs nearby only, at least in terms of movement data, not names.

The petition/GM-only system won't be the only component on launch. There will be one that is both client-side, and serverside too.
There will be measures to track folks that are cheating that won't be in the public release of Quarm. This measure will likely see the same scrutiny that P99 has with their anticheat, and I intend to forward those complaints to the toilet as they do.

It's also fair to assume that folks are cheating the same way on P99 as they would be on Quarm.. a few may slip past the cracks, and that few is all a guild or group needs to impact the game.

So, in actuality, I don't think it'll be any different than P99's cheating situation as of today. People are getting caught with manual GM observation on P99 still, and automatic layers of detection also exist to catch those that aren't as tech savvy, but utilize cheat programs.

That will be the case with us, though we're putting about the same level of effort into detection that P99 is, so...