SK Race Choice

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regen is absolutely worthless anytime there's a healer of any kind.

That’s a pretty dumb statement.

It might even be a contender for the single most dumbass thing ever uttered on these forums.

Congrats?

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a pretty dumb statement.

It might even be a contender for the single most dumbass thing ever uttered on these forums.

Congrats?

I think Shaman being a better DPS than Mage may take the cake. lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Shaman being a better DPS than Mage may take the cake. lol

Why are you discussing your own delusions? You keep reading "Shamans can out DPS Mages via root/rotting" as "Shamans always do more DPS than Mages".

Please stop making yourself look bad both in terms of reading comprehension, and posting offtopic nonsense.

Do you actually have any input towards the topic at hand?

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a pretty dumb statement.

It might even be a contender for the single most dumbass thing ever uttered on these forums.

Congrats?

Why do you have to be so nasty on these forums? You continue to just make yourself look bad.

Regeneration has much less utility in a group with a good healer. Is it useless? No, but it's utility goes down quite a bit. That is why Troll/Iksar Regeneration loses a lot of utility once a Shaman gets Torpor. Having +300 HP Regen makes the +8 extra standing regen basically unnoticeable. Often times I don't even bother to cast Regrowth on myself, which is +15 HP/Tick. It just isn't necessary.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Often times I don't even bother to cast Regrowth on myself, which is +15 HP/Tick. It just isn't necessary.

Your take on regen w/ Torpor is just plain bad advice.

The fact that you aren't a troll/iksar, don't wear a fungi, and don't cast regrowth, means you're missing out on 40 hp/tick(42 but you have vindi bp). This is such a significant amount of HP regardless of your self healing capabilities(ask any necro who runs demi lich at 48/tick, it still hurts). It's enough to where depending on the situation & mana required, you might never have to actually heal yourself. Just canni as needed and let the regen do the rest.

Please be warned when trying to take advice from DSM.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your take on regen w/ Torpor is just plain bad advice.

The fact that you aren't a troll/iksar, don't wear a fungi, and don't cast regrowth, means you're missing out on 40 hp/tick(42 but you have vindi bp). This is such a significant amount of HP regardless of your self healing capabilities(ask any necro who runs demi lich at 48/tick, it still hurts). It's enough to where depending on the situation & mana required, you might never have to actually heal yourself. Just canni as needed and let the regen do the rest.

Please be warned when trying to take advice from DSM.

I've played a Torpor Shaman for years, and was able to do everything without Fungi Tunic and Regrowth. This is a fact, and is backed up by basic math. You do realize +15 HP/Tick is only 5% of Torpor's Regeneration increase? The only way that would help you is if you are fighting a mob that happens to be doing Torpor + 5% worth of Regen in DPS. I haven't seen a mob with this specific DPS. Torpor Shamans can get all their HP/MP back in 3 minutes or less, they are going to be at full HP whenever they aren't in combat. This means they aren't really using regen out of combat.

Years of practical experience trumps your trolling.

You're just a silly troll who thinks insults are evidence. The only warning is listening to your continued nonsense. You are not helping anybody.

Nobody cares that you think you are cool for insulting other posters on an elf forum lol.

Troll/Iksar Regen is better on SK's who solo a lot, because they do not have Torpor.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've played a Torpor Shaman for years, and was able to do everything without Fungi Tunic and Regrowth. This is a fact, and is backed up by basic math. You do realize +15 HP/Tick is only 5% of Torpor's Regeneration increase? The only way that would help you is if you are fighting a mob that happens to be doing Torpor + 5% worth of Regen in DPS. I haven't seen a mob with this specific DPS. Torpor Shamans can get all their HP/MP back in 3 minutes or less, they are going to be at full HP whenever they aren't in combat. This means they aren't really using regen out of combat.

Years of practical experience trumps your trolling.

You're just a silly troll who thinks insults are evidence. The only warning is listening to your continued nonsense. You are not helping anybody.

Nobody cares that you think you are cool for insulting other posters on an elf forum lol.

Troll/Iksar Regen is better on SK's who solo a lot, because they do not have Torpor.

I noticed you are singling out 15/tick. I’m talking about the 42/tick you get from racial/fungi/regrowth. This is 14% of torpor for doing absolutely nothing, lol. And the best part is it stacks, so if you do cast torpor, you’re now getting 342/tick instead of 300. This is so significant that the fact you discredit this simply shows your inefficiencies and lack of understanding.

If you don’t think 42/tick of hp is a big deal, then you’re simply just being a troll. But for now, you’re just an inefficient shaman choosing to ignore passive regen for no apparent reason.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've played a Torpor Shaman for years, and was able to do everything without Fungi Tunic and Regrowth. This is a fact, and is backed up by basic math.

This is literally the same thing we told you for years about how lacking FSI hadn’t ever affected our experience negatively, and you firmly stated just because it hasn’t doesn’t mean it’s and disadvantage.

Arguably outside soloing dragons more mana/second is more helpful than less.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is literally the same thing we told you for years about how lacking FSI hadn’t ever affected our experience negatively, and you firmly stated just because it hasn’t doesn’t mean it’s and disadvantage.

Arguably outside soloing dragons more mana/second is more helpful than less.

You haven't read what I have been saying for years, even though it has been in my signature. FSI is the best racial benefit for a Shaman, but you do not need it to succeed. Where did you see me say otherwise? Just because something is the best in a set, it doesn't mean anything in the set is going to give you a massive benefit.

From the preface of my guide I wrote almost 3 years ago:

"Due to the high power of the Shaman class, no Racial Bonus is required to best any content. The idea is to determine which Racial Bonuses give you the most edge, with the understanding it won't have a huge impact overall."

What is unclear here?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You haven't read what I have been saying for years, even though it has been in my signature. FSI is the best racial benefit, even though you do not need it. Where did you see me say otherwise? Just because something is the best in a set, it doesn't mean anything in the set is going to give you a massive benefit.

From the preface of my guide I wrote almost 3 years ago:

"The idea is to determine which Racial Bonuses give you the most edge, with the understanding it won't have a huge impact overall."

What is unclear here?

I still don’t understand why you made a troll sk instead of an ogre. Better combat stats, fsi, less xp penalty. Outside BoTB SK tournaments jousting for 10 mins regen is a pretty weak stat. Pallies get a 8/3 hp to mana regen that stacks with everything and I never mem that rubbish.

[Lowako]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your take on regen w/ Torpor is just plain bad advice.

The fact that you aren't a troll/iksar, don't wear a fungi, and don't cast regrowth, means you're missing out on 40 hp/tick(42 but you have vindi bp). This is such a significant amount of HP regardless of your self healing capabilities(ask any necro who runs demi lich at 48/tick, it still hurts). It's enough to where depending on the situation & mana required, you might never have to actually heal yourself. Just canni as needed and let the regen do the rest.

Please be warned when trying to take advice from DSM.

thank god someone has actually pointed this out. I've never understood why people act like regen on shaman is useless at 60 because it has less value when torpor is active, completely discounting the fact that torporing yourself has a non trivial opportunity cost. the way people talk here make it sound like torpor is just a passive 300hp regen effect that costs 0 mana and has 0 drawback to it.