Anti-Draft Week

[YendorLootmonkey]

When the next iteration of green opens up, make Green 1.0 instanced or rotation. People who want competition can go enjoy that on Green 2.0. People who want rotations can finally enjoy that on Green 1.0 with whoever is remaining.

Win-win for everyone, because they can play on the server that best represents their playstyle, and stop crapping on the other playstyle because it is on a completely different server and does not impact them in any way whatsoever.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the next iteration of green opens up, make Green 1.0 instanced or rotation. People who want competition can go enjoy that on Green 2.0. People who want rotations can finally enjoy that on Green 1.0 with whoever is remaining.

Win-win for everyone, because they can play on the server that best represents their playstyle, and stop crapping on the other playstyle because it is on a completely different server and does not impact them in any way whatsoever.

You can do this on eqlive. This entire project is a repudiation of the direction eqlive ended up going.

Veto.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can do this on eqlive. This entire project is a repudiation of the direction eqlive ended up going.

Veto.

That's a moronic response that pretends live is equally as good as P99 ... when we both know it isn't.

This place is special because of classic EQ. And if we're being honest, the raid scene here isn't classic: races literally never existed on live.

If P99 switched to instances or rotations, people would raid the way they did back in 2001 ... ie. the classic way.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a moronic response that pretends live is equally as good as P99 ... when we both know it isn't.

This place is special because of classic EQ. And if we're being honest, the raid scene here isn't classic: races literally never existed on live.

If P99 switched to instances or rotations, people would raid the way they did back in 2001 ... ie. the classic way.

Sorry but I fundamentally can't see how adding instancing of all things to p99 would make it more classic. Instancing is totally antithetical to the point of the project.

"Classic" is a super elastic term anyway. Everquest only has classic mechanics. You can emulate those mechanics perfectly and there will still be new emergent playstyles. Some servers had rotations, others didn't, yet they all existed during vanilla\kunark\velious. So which playstyle is the genuinely "classic" one? I think the raid system here works about as well as it possibly can; it's mostly meritocratic but smaller guilds can still work their way up and get stuff. Please god no instancing though.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure why you think people would change their raiding strategies if instancing was added to P99. They would still use the same strategies, which are not classic because people didn't have 20 years of game knowledge in 2001. There really isn't a way to put the genie back in the bottle in terms of player knowledge. People are going to play differently on P99. There wasn't instancing in 2001, so that wouldn't be raiding "the classic way" either.

I was referring to the unclassic "PvP" aspect of the current raid scene (eg. racing for mobs, starting at a race line ... a race line that never existed on Live, and so by definition is unclassic). Obviously the PvE aspects would remain (largely) the same.

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Classic" is a super elastic term anyway.

This is the crux of it. Our current raid scene is unclassic in key ways. For instance, back in 2001 guilds didn't compete directly (eg. by racing for a mob), because there wasn't the kind of competition for those mobs that there is here, there weren't the same FTE rules as we have here, etc.

Instances would solve that unclassic aspect of P99 ... but in return they would require a sacrifice of making something else unclassic (instances obviously didn't exist in 2001). It's impossible to make P99 100% classic in every way, so no one is (really) talking about classic or unclassic: they're talking about making their preferred aspect of the game classic.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was referring to the unclassic "PvP" aspect of the current raid scene (eg. racing for mobs, starting at a race line ... a race line that never existed on Live, and so by definition is unclassic). Obviously the PvE aspects would remain (largely) the same.

Ah I see. Thank you for clarifying.

I would be all for removing race lines and just have it a free for all, as it was in classic. But you don't need instancing to do that.

There was competition on live, so you can't really say that "classic" is no competition. Not all servers had rotations, and none had instancing.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was referring to the unclassic "PvP" aspect of the current raid scene (eg. racing for mobs, starting at a race line ... a race line that never existed on Live, and so by definition is unclassic). Obviously the PvE aspects would remain (largely) the same.



This is the crux of it. Our current raid scene is unclassic in key ways. For instance, back in 2001 guilds didn't compete directly (eg. by racing for a mob), because there wasn't the kind of competition for those mobs that there is here, there weren't the same FTE rules as we have here, etc.

Instances would solve that unclassic aspect of P99 ... but in return they would require a sacrifice of making something else unclassic (instances obviously didn't exist in 2001). It's impossible to make P99 100% classic in every way, so no one is (really) talking about classic or unclassic: they're talking about making their preferred aspect of the game classic.

I would rather have unclassic race lines that allow for a bit more competition rather than a guild like Riot getting every single spawn 100% of the time than have instances.

Half the fun of the raid scene is the competition aspect and never knowing if you're going to get that target this cycle or not. Or on quakes having to strategize which targets to hit out in the world (or do you just roll on NToV and try to clear a bunch of it while the other guild(s) are hitting Dane, Gore, etc.).

I do think instancing could also cause P99 pop to go down in the semi-long term. If you make it easy to gear all the alts because the only competition is with people in your guild, how long do some of these people keep playing? There's a good chunk addicted to the pixel chase on their alts...resolve that for them quickly and where does the pop go.