student loans are a hit!

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thankfully, most Christians are nothing like you, with nothing but hatred in your heart for your fellow people

If you can't charter school your kids, why can you trans them?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can't charter school your kids, why can you trans them?

Evangelicals can educate their own children however poorly they want, the problem is they're trying to gut public education so nobody has a choice and they get to profit from it. Lots of GOPers, especially from red states, are heavily invested in for profit schools. My wife was a teacher in South Carolina and it's a huge shit show, they're actively trying to destroy public education (and defrauding the federal government in the process. All MAGA's are crooks and traitors.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Evangelicals can educate their own children however poorly they want, the problem is they're trying to gut public education so nobody has a choice and they get to profit from it. Lots of GOPers, especially from red states, are heavily invested in for profit schools. My wife was a teacher in South Carolina and it's a huge shit show, they're actively trying to destroy public education (and defrauding the federal government in the process. All MAGA's are crooks and traitors.

What’s ruining public education IMO are behavior problems

I go into schools all the time for work, and there isn’t much porn or political indoctrination that I’ve seen

The kids who aren’t getting educated are the kids with behavior problems. Kids with major behaviors burn out the staff and end up being just babysat and pushed through the grades while being barely literate

Also, the other kids that fail are the ones that choose to. Any kid can drop out of high school by age 16 and the parent can go fuck themselves in regards to the kid’s schooling for 2 years until they kick the kid out, if they can’t motivate the kid to continue school in some other way. And this is a decent amount of kids, especially from poor areas

Major behavior problems from kids are what fucks not only those kid’s education over, but also the kids around them sometimes

Anything else is a red herring issue

[Lune]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What’s ruining public education IMO are behavior problems

I go into schools all the time for work, and there isn’t much porn or political indoctrination that I’ve seen

The kids who aren’t getting educated are the kids with behavior problems. Kids with major behaviors burn out the staff and end up being just babysat and pushed through the grades while being barely literate

Also, the other kids that fail are the ones that choose to. Any kid can drop out of high school by age 16 and the parent can go fuck themselves in regards to the kid’s schooling for 2 years until they kick the kid out, if they can’t motivate the kid to continue school in some other way. And this is a decent amount of kids, especially from poor areas

Major behavior problems from kids are what fucks not only those kid’s education over, but also the kids around them sometimes

Anything else is a red herring issue

Again my wife is a teacher and it is more complicated than that. When it comes to behavior, it's mostly God awful terrible parents who do absolutely nothing to guide their child's behavioral development, and then when their little animal runs into problems with the school, the parents lash out at the staff rather than look inward. And districts tend to placate parents. It's not the teachers job to parent your kid.

It's like an extension of the NIMBYism that is destroying blue states, except it's "Not My BabY!", a culture of complete narcissism, neglect, and lack of self awareness. In Washington, my wife will be part of a union, be paid twice as much, and work primarily with the children of the wealthy. So I'm eager to see how that pans out culturally and if parents are still shit.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again my wife is a teacher and it is more complicated than that. When it comes to behavior, it's mostly God awful terrible parents who do absolutely nothing to guide their child's behavioral development, and then when their little animal runs into problems with the school, the parents lash out at the staff rather than look inward. And districts tend to placate parents.

It's like an extension of the NIMBYism that is destroying blue states, except it's "Not My BabY!", a culture of complete narcissism, neglect, and lack of self awareness. In Washington, my wife will be part of a union, be paid twice as much, and work primarily with the children of the wealthy. So I'm eager to see how that pans out culturally and if parents are still shit.

I agree on the shit parent contributing

But from what I’ve seen in AZ public schools, the material is more than adequate to get the kids into college. Bantering about classes is something I do with every kid I talk to at school pretty much

What’s make or break isn’t the material, it’s the kid giving a shit or not. For kids that are struggling, public schools offer study hour and tutoring. Once again though, what matters is whether the kid cares about their education or not (and not for the same reason as a parent might. Sometimes the reason is to not disappoint their parent or to get some reward)

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Evangelicals can educate their own children however poorly they want, the problem is they're trying to gut public education so nobody has a choice and they get to profit from it. Lots of GOPers, especially from red states, are heavily invested in for profit schools. My wife was a teacher in South Carolina and it's a huge shit show, they're actively trying to destroy public education (and defrauding the federal government in the process. All MAGA's are crooks and traitors.

If it's ok for them to do so, why must they pay double to do so? (Read: sin tax)

[Lune]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it's ok for them to do so, why must they pay double to do so? (Read: sin tax)

Because that's how society works. We all pay for education, even those of us who have no children, because all of society benefits from people being educated. They aren't paying double. They want the for profit charter schools to get public tax dollars as well to provide a religious education. The part I'm complaining about is they don't want to keep a healthy public alternative

[Origen]

Source: https://www.leftvoice.org/public-edu...t-perspective/

1. Schools are central institutions of modern capitalist society. We must reject the idea that they are eternal and immutable and that the “natural” way of learning takes place within the four walls of a classroom with fixed times, grade levels, scores, etc. Schools are products of history. They appear in a specific moment and are therefore not natural or eternal. The learning institutions of today are destined to disappear or change along with the society that gave gave rise to them.

2. Public education is an important mechanism in creating social consensus because it is based on the idea that school offers “equal opportunities” for all citizens. This idea of education is a strong legitimating force of capitalism. The idea of equal opportunity under the capitalist system is, in itself, a fallacy.

3. Teaching has a third role: the socializing role. It is a mechanism used to train students to internalize the values, ideas, and attitudes of the dominant society. Educational institutions are especially efficient in legitimating the current social order because schools play a role not only in training workers in the strict sense of giving them skills to be part of the productive labor force but also in the naturalization of the social relations of production.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because that's how society works. We all pay for education, even those of us who have no children, because all of society benefits from people being educated. They aren't paying double. They want the for profit charter schools to get public tax dollars as well to provide a religious education. The part I'm complaining about is they don't want to keep a healthy public alternative

If they can afford private school, they're probably paying those taxes. "Double" becomes "defund" somehow.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they can afford private school, they're probably paying those taxes. "Double" becomes "defund" somehow.

Unless they are cheating as Republicans often do.

Say you want to donate to the Republican Party as a Republican politician to reduce your Taxes. Well you can’t donate to political parties to reduce your taxes.

Instead you donate to a Christian private school large amounts of funds allows you to get your kid in and a means to write it off your taxes.

The private school then launders … I mean donates that back into the Republican Party.