Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I could be AoE kiting at the bottom of Velks as a Bard in this group, completely outstripping my other 3 teammates as I slowly destroy 25 spiders.

It doesn't matter, you complete idiot, if I completely out DPS the mage. It doesn't matter if I can root rot 3+ mobs next to 3 other teammates doing a charm group.

The point is that it's worthless to this group. You suggest it because shamans can do more DPS than mages, just like kiting mobs as bard does more DPS, but it's worthless to this composition.

The hypothetical two enchanters and one cleric would regard you as an imbecile for wasting their time with your stupid shenanigans. You're just interfering with their one target at a time method, when they possibly could have got some more sustainable DPS from a mage, that only requires hitting the assist and pet attack keybinds.

You're an idiot. I don't think there's anything more I can say here. You were the same moron who thinks warriors are better soloers than enchanters, and that COTH makes mage a "porting class". Is it surprising?

If you are admitting that DPS doesn't matter too much in the group, then why are you bringing the Mage at all? A Shaman is the second best solo class in the game, and provides much more utility than a Mage other than if you need CoTH. As I said before, if you are only doing camps that need CoTH, bring the Mage!

I am sorry, but you don't get to decide how other people want to play the game. Your entire argument hinges on the assumption everybody wants to play the game in the exact same way as yourself. You really need to get a life if you think you can enforce such a policy by insulting other people on a forum.

It is clear you are losing the argument when you try to play a semantic game about what "teleport" means in a 20 year old elf sim[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] CoTH is the only other spell in the game besides ports/evacs that allows you to teleport a player other than yourself, which is why it is not the same as something like Gate, another apples to oranges comparison you made earlier.

You also are twisting my words about Warriors and Enchanters, another sign of losing the argument. I said a low level, well twinked Warrior can solo better than a low level Enchanter. That doesn't mean I am saying "A Warrior solos better than an Enchanter", because that implies I said a level 60 Warrior can solo better than a level 60 Enchanter, which is obviously not true. I was specifically referring to the level range of about 1-30.

Again, this is why the thread is 377 pages. You twist peoples words and make strawmen to try and sound right. If that isn't trolling, it is disingenuous at best.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sorry, but you don't get to decide how other people want to play the game. Your entire argument hinges on the assumption everybody wants to play the game in the exact same way as yourself. You really need to get a life if you think you can enforce such a policy by insulting other people on a forum.

I think you're both a troll and an idiot here. It's not one or the other -- it's both.

Because where in my post did I suggest I get to decide how people play the game? It's more that no one sane will appreciate root rotting in a charm group of 4 people. I've never seen anyone suggest what you described in a group, because why on earth would they?

If you want to suddenly switch this to "safety is better than an extra DPS", then why wouldn't I want a druid instead? They can snare the charms, and they can get the 2 enchanters and 1 cleric faster to place they want to be. They can even throw in an extra charm if the zone allows.

Why would this group want a shaman? Shaman is a very powerful jack of all trades caster, but enchanter and cleric both have its abilities covered, and even supersede it.

How is this not obvious to everyone who has played this game for even a moderate amount of time?

You aren't going to win any hearts and minds this way. I would advise you change tactics.

And you have...?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because where in my post did I suggest I get to decide how people play the game?

In your very next sentence:

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's more that no one sane will appreciate root rotting in a charm group of 4 people. I've never seen anyone suggest what you described in a group, because why on earth would they?

What you are doing here is making a statement of fact that my suggestion cannot work, without any evidence other than you saying so. You keep insisting you cannot be wrong, but haven't actually done anything to prove it, other than your word. I am not sure why you think people care about what you claim is insane. Root rotting isn't any more dangerous than charming pets and giving them torches + haste.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to suddenly switch this to "safety is better than an extra DPS", then why wouldn't I want a druid instead?

The logic isn't hard to follow. Enchanters are the best solo class in the game. They also happen to be the number one pick in this thread, and I agree with that pick. Shamans are the second best solo class in the game. If you put the two best solo classes together, you get an extremely powerful combination. That is why Shaman/Monk/Enchanter is one of the best trios out there. You have the best solo class from each type (Priest, Melee, Int Caster).

This isn't just my opinion either. If you have played the game for a while and have been on these forums, you would know that is a common enough suggestion for trios. It's not a large logical leap to take a strong trio and tac an extra class onto it when discussing a group of four players.

[Ripqozko]

C u all at page 400, DSM is why VQ is dead