Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[choklo]

Originally Posted by Tunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's shit like this that ran off new players and still does. It's shit like this that caused the overuse of instances. We all loved raiding back in the day but only a select few were able to get into the elite guilds. This caused developers to create instances, this caused us to hate these games, and ultimately caused us to play on this server again.

And now here we are, doing the same fucking shit we always did. Why are people not learning? Let some of the lower tier guilds raid so the "sandbox" loving playerbase will grow and it might be feasible for a devloper to target us as a market again. Big picture people.

Think outside the fuckin' bun.

This is likely the top reason people will lose interest in this server. The end game is unavailable to everyone not in TMO or TR.

[Chokan]

Originally Posted by choklo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is likely the top reason people will lose interest in this server. The end game is unavailable to everyone not in TMO or TR.

I'm leaning toward agreeing with this. Being a new player myself, I'm looking forward to eventually doing my epic quest when they put them in. How will this be possible if no one can kill dragons but a select few?

[aerah]

Originally Posted by Chokan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm leaning toward agreeing with this. Being a new player myself, I'm looking forward to eventually doing my epic quest when they put them in. How will this be possible if no one can kill dragons but a select few?

They will complete their epics the same way people did in live, by purchasing the right to loot items or those very items from people who no longer need them or putting together groups/alliances that can kill the targets. Just fyi - epics were supposed to be so people could do harder encounters, not so they could camp 4rooms/crypt/karnors/wtf ever else casuals do.

Shiftin has the right of it in the end. Although there isn't a ton of mid-tier raiding available in Classic/Kunark, come velious there's significantly more. PoG/ToV East and West/Kael/SkyShrine/Siren's Grotto/West Wastes/Velks Lab all have raid-friendly targets that are not bleeding edge.

You argue that it's the "all or nothing" mentality that ruined MMOs with instancing, I argue that it's the whining and sense of entitlement that drove the devs to instancing that ruined them. No one likes competition, they think because (in live) they paid their 10 bucks a month they deserved to get anything and everything handed to them. "I at least deserve the chance..." - yeah you have the chance. Put forth the effort that it takes to find like minded people and build a cohesive unit. Or join a guild that already is that, and pay your dues when you first join.

The only part of classic that people like this bring with them is the whining that it's not fair they can't kill Nagafen, they can't see Trakanon, they have to live vicariously through screenshots to see VP.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by aerah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.... Put forth the effort that it takes...

i was with you till i read this. the only effort EQ takes is an enormous and borderline-psychotic amount of time. thats it. that is the secret of raiding in a non-instanced mmorpg. the people who debate this fact are always the ones who probably are addicted to everquest (not trolling) to validate and defend their position.

[aerah]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i was with you till i read this. the only effort EQ takes is an enormous and borderline-psychotic amount of time. thats it. that is the secret of raiding in a non-instanced mmorpg. the people who debate this fact are always the ones who probably are addicted to everquest (not trolling) to validate and defend their position.

I agree only if you're talking about being bleed_edge_end_game_raider_08. This requires the effort of button mashing and drinking Bawls all night. Yeah, I went there. You've outlined what it takes to poop in your sock and call yourself by that namesake. There are other levels of raiding.

If you're in a relatively small guild and you want to put together a chardok royals raid, are you telling me it takes no effort to communicate with other small guilds to find interested parties, make groups, designate healing assignments, split loot, coordinate movement and execute a non-zerg strategy? Voice chat makes it a bit easier (and harder) but I still feel comfortable calling that effort.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by aerah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree only if you're talking about being bleed_edge_end_game_raider_08. This requires the effort of button mashing and drinking Bawls all night. Yeah, I went there. You've outlined what it takes to poop in your sock and call yourself by that namesake. There are other levels of raiding.

If you're in a relatively small guild and you want to put together a chardok royals raid, are you telling me it takes no effort to communicate with other small guilds to find interested parties, make groups, designate healing assignments, split loot, coordinate movement and execute a non-zerg strategy? Voice chat makes it a bit easier (and harder) but I still feel comfortable calling that effort.

You're responding, with logic and reasoning, to someone devoid of it.

I agree with your sentiment that raiding isn't as easy as people like him (noobs) think it is.

[feste]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with your sentiment that raiding isn't as easy as people like him (noobs) think it is.

unless you are leading the raid or part of it its easy as shit. come on time > dont get lost > bring your food and components > hit the same 2-4 buttons and move when someone tells you too.

am i missing something?

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by aerah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only part of classic that people like this bring with them is the whining that it's not fair they can't kill Nagafen, they can't see Trakanon, they have to live vicariously through screenshots to see VP.

And the 5% of each live server that derived joy from strictly endgame encounters and scratching to get to the top makes up 9/10ths of the population here. Casual people went on to lead lives and didn't come scampering back to relive glory days via EQ.

As for your original statement, the fact that you're shocked that people migrating to the server are stunned that not only is everything killed moments after spawning, people take pride in the sockfests, the alt-armies, and the 24/7 vent hangouts and twitter-watches that people are falling overthemselves to partake in to relive their 'classic' experience.

Feel free to call them delusional if you want, just make sure to lay down the board and hit the steam press, because it's high time for some ironing.

[Rais]

Enough typing Bubbles. I was told you're playing a Ranger. Why are you so delusional?!

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enough typing Bubbles. I was told you're playing a Ranger. Why are you so delusional?!

And that ranger just lapped your wizard in our race to bring team worthless to planar level!