Bards, nah

[Trelaboon]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used to like them, but honestly, they're just not great other than having a whole person tied to a character that's a mobile buff totem.

1 - 2 - 3 - (sometime 4) for resistances in whatever group you're in and that's all you do.

Sure you can "pull", sure you can "buff", but all of these things are done far better by other classes.

We don't need extra stats, we already capped.

Like what's the point?

At least rangers are useful for blade pulling in Ntov.

You can make this argument for tons of classes, since this argument really only applies to raiding.

Mages are just coth/rod bots
Shamans are buff/slow bots
Enchanters are buff/slow bots
Druids are just for ports/potg, Clerics heal better

So on and so forth.

The entirety of EverQuest’s raid scene is so many classes have an important, but underwhelming job.

Good luck FTEing Gore without a Bard. Have fun clearing Growth, Sky or Fear without a Bard. Have fun killing Yelinak without a Bard. You’re underselling them my man.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Trelaboon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can make this argument for tons of classes, since this argument really only applies to raiding.

Mages are just coth/rod bots
Shamans are buff/slow bots
Enchanters are buff/slow bots
Druids are just for ports/potg, Clerics heal better

So on and so forth.

The entirety of EverQuest’s raid scene is so many classes have an important, but underwhelming job.

Good luck FTEing Gore without a Bard. Have fun clearing Growth, Sky or Fear without a Bard. Have fun killing Yelinak without a Bard. You’re underselling them my man.

Then can't one also argue that you can take down the toughest Raid bosses without a Warriors mitigation (I.E only Knights as the tanks) or Cleric's CH?

[Trelaboon]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then can't one also argue that you can take down the toughest Raid bosses without a Warriors mitigation (I.E only Knights as the tanks) or Cleric's CH?

No, you really can’t lol. Good luck dropping AoW without CH or Defensive. I’m not sure what about my comment lead you to believe I was any way saying something like that, because no, the raid scene wouldn’t exist on any serious level without those classes. Especially Clerics.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Trelaboon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you really can’t lol. Good luck dropping AoW without CH or Defensive. I’m not sure what about my comment lead you to believe I was any way saying something like that, because no, the raid scene wouldn’t exist on any serious level without those classes. Especially Clerics.

Sorry if I misinterpreted, just read it as though you were making the claim that any class can be dispensed with or have its role filled by another class (for instance, an Enchanter can replace a Bard for haste, slows, mez and mana regen). If that's the case, then it should be true of Warriors (Pally/SK's tanking instead, or even a Ranger in a pinch with Weaponshield) and Clerics as well (Druid/Shamans heals instead).

That's just how I was reading it.