Red 69 PvP Server

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Vile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're already seeing how bad 1 boxing cripples PvP on Red69.. I can only try to kill shit solo on my cleric for so long before I wan't to kill myself.

Maybe Red99 would pull the population needed.. but I highly doubt it would be easy for a complete newb to start up a few months (even a few weeks) down the road and find a group of people to level up with.

Unfortunately I believe boxing is 100% needed for a classic PvP server on the emu.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Seriously though. Not only will this server have the strongest PVP population because of server stability and the reputation of those running it alone, but I believe it will also have a calling for blue server players as well.

I know a lot of people jump at the chance to start on a brand new server where everyone starts on the same page. Being able to camp things like jboots, manastones and rubicite again. Again, I touched on this in previous posts. This is where I believe the counter balance of having anti-pk guilds will come in, and those anti-pk guilds will likely be formed by the bluebies that migrate over when the server opens.

[Vile]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Seriously though. Not only will this server have the strongest PVP population because of server stability and the reputation of those running it alone, but I believe it will also have a calling for blue server players as well.

I know a lot of people jump at the chance to start on a brand new server where everyone starts on the same page. Being able to camp things like jboots, manastones and rubicite again. Again, I touched on this in previous posts. This is where I believe the counter balance of having anti-pk guilds will come in, and those anti-pk guilds will likely be formed by the bluebies that migrate over when the server opens.

PvE forces you to group.. XP is XP..

PVP doesn't work that way. When people fuck in a PUG or are known tards, they will be PK'd.

There will be griefers that don't give a fuck... it doesn't work the way it does on blue. I can't imagine a random group of people forming together to XP, especially with the type of people we deal with.

An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

You also haven't come up with a solution to my question.... if the server has been out for a weeks or even a few months, what does a total newbie do with no gear that doesn't play a solo class. The population would have to be 200+ minimum for this to work and I still don't see that new person with no groups to level with lasting long with horrible XP and immediate grief upon the appropriate level.

I don't see the issue with 2 boxing, anyone can level this way and it it puts them at a disadvantage in PvP. The best PvPer is going to run around with full buffs anyway...

[freakyuno]

Originally Posted by Vile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PvE forces you to group.. XP is XP..

PVP doesn't work that way. When people fuck in a PUG or are known tards, they will be PK'd.

There will be griefers that don't give a fuck... it doesn't work the way it does on blue. I can't imagine a random group of people forming together to XP, especially with the type of people we deal with.

An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

You also haven't come up with a solution to my question.... if the server has been out for a weeks or even a few months, what does a total newbie do with no gear that doesn't play a solo class. The population would have to be 200+ minimum for this to work and I still don't see that new person with no groups to level with lasting long with horrible XP and immediate grief upon the appropriate level.

I don't see the issue with 2 boxing, anyone can level this way and it it puts them at a disadvantage in PvP. The best PvPer is going to run around with full buffs anyway...

Generally, you can figure out what the average time it takes to hit the max level is, and figure that between 1 and 2 months after that people will start rolling new characters. There of course is the few that play several along the way, but the problem you describe persists. No boxing = no way for a non-solo class to level up during the spaces between alts and rerolls.

P99 solved this problem with a large enough population that at any given moment, there are a number of characters in each level range, and even with 700+ at times, it's hard to find a group as certain classes.

I dont like boxing for the most part, especially on pvp servers, but it is 1 way to solve this common issue when population suffers. Does it solve more problems than it creates? I'm not so sure.

[Vile]

Originally Posted by freakyuno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont like boxing for the most part, especially on pvp servers, but it is 1 way to solve this common issue when population suffers. Does it solve more problems than it creates? I'm not so sure.

The only issue I can see is everyone will have buff bots...

If XP isn't as extreme as P99.. there could be a chance for Red99. That would be the only saving grace.

[Shrubwise]

Originally Posted by Vile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If XP isn't as extreme as P99.. there could be a chance for Red99. That would be the only saving grace.

I disagree, Vile. If anything, I'd like the exp to be a little harsher than P1999. Sure, people bitch and moan about the exp rate, but in the end everyone who wants to can make it to 50.

It will force people to group for quicker experience. It will also force people to group who are not solo classes. When/if Red99 comes out, I believe the hype is enough that there will be a large draw and the population will be able to provide groups for new players.

A slower exp rate (as mentioned before me in this thread) will induce a sense of 'achievement' and also promote anti-shady behavior. If it took you a year to get to 50 (it took me two days short of a year to get 50 on Shrubwise) you're going to second guess loading up hax and losing all your hard work.

P.S. If you never found a buddy for your cleric on Red69, I've got a low level SK who would play with you.

[nilbog]

2 boxing won't be happening on project1999 blue/red.

These same arguments were made for the PVE server. :P

Don't start a server with boxing and it won't be missed. Placate to an individual's frailty, and it will never end.


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[Vile]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 boxing won't be happening on project1999 blue/red.

These same arguments were made for the PVE server. :P

Don't start a server with boxing and it won't be missed. Placate to an individual's frailty, and it will never end.


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PvE != PvP

Unless server pop is a solid 250+ at all times it might work... MIGHT..

[juicedsixfo]

Originally Posted by Vile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If XP isn't as extreme as P99.. there could be a chance for Red99. That would be the only saving grace.

You are correct. And you can make certain that if the name of the server is indeed Red99, it will follow the same strict guidelines as p1999 which includes race and class penalties on top of an already brutal exp rate.

edit: can anyone confirm or deny if a players exp penalty affects an entire group still? Or was that ever changed? I believe as it stands right now it is multiplied to the entire group.

By Race:
Troll -20%
Iksar -20%
Ogre -15%
Barbarian -5%
Halfling +5%

By Class:
Paladin / Shadowknight / Ranger / Bard -40%
Monk -20%
Wizard / Magician / Enchanter / Necromancer -10%
Rogue +9%
Warrior +10%

[freakyuno]

Originally Posted by juicedsixfo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are correct. And you can make certain that if the name of the server is indeed Red99, it will follow the same strict guidelines as p1999 which includes race and class penalties on top of an already brutal exp rate.

edit: can anyone confirm or deny if a players exp penalty affects an entire group still? Or was that ever changed? I believe as it stands right now it is multiplied to the entire group.

By Race:
Troll -20%
Iksar -20%
Ogre -15%
Barbarian -5%
Halfling +5%

By Class:
Paladin / Shadowknight / Ranger / Bard -40%
Monk -20%
Wizard / Magician / Enchanter / Necromancer -10%
Rogue +9%
Warrior +10%

Not to derail this whole thread, but it's been explained many times how the penalty works on p99. It's NOT multipled to the group.

Experience gained is divided into parts based on the amount of experience you have. Look at it this way:

Group of 4 all with 100,000xp (note: I didnt tell you their level)
Kill a mob worth: 1000xp
They all get 250xp.

The uneven split comes in, because people group with people around their level, a bard at level 20 has 50% more xp than a warrior at 20 (ignoring race to keep the math simple).
Warrior XP: 100,000 = level 20
Bard XP: 150,000 = level 20

When the 1000 xp is split between them, the bard gets more, because his share is calculated based on 150,000 xp.

Make sense?

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by Vile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An anti PK guild on P99 will be destroyed very quickly, mark my words. If there is one, I'll play just to grief them. I can think of a handful of others that would do that same. The true bluebies won't last.

Lol except on the most recent red servers a blue player completely dominated both of them.