Communism is a hit!

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Literally nobody has any problem with non-white people. It's not 1920, seek therapy.

I am sure blanket denialism of racism does wonders in the pro-racism circles, but you and I both know you don't have the balls to tell this lie in person

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sure blanket denialism of racism does wonders in the pro-racism circles, but you and I both know you don't have the balls to tell this lie in person

How do you measure racism? It's a very important question.

"Let's stop racism!" is obviously a goal everyone should aspire to (and already does), but nobody can ever seem to articulate what that means or how it could possibly be measured. Do you envision some ideal scenario where somebody declares "okay, racism is now over!"? Who would that person be, and how would they know?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you measure racism? It's a very important question.

"Let's stop racism!" is obviously a goal everyone should aspire to (and already does), but nobody can ever seem to articulate what that means or how it could possibly be measured. Do you envision some ideal scenario where somebody declares "okay, racism is now over!"? Who would that person be, and how would they know?

Desegregation. Desegregation measurably reduces racist attitudes and feelings of racial discomfort in general. This has been known for more than a century. And, not just racial but also religious or ethnic animus.

In some scenarios desegregation is an effectively impossible task. Segregation is built into urban areas. How does one undo that? There are other limits to this solution set as well. How can Mormons ever truly live among us? No one knows.


So you just asked, how do you measure it and how to you fix it. Segregation/desegregation is a long-proven indicator of likelihood/unlikelihood of racial/ethnic/etc. problems. Macro and macro scale.


We good?

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Desegregation. Desegregation measurably reduces racist attitudes and feelings of racial discomfort in general. This has been known for more than a century. And, not just racial but also religious or ethnic animus.

In some scenarios desegregation is an effectively impossible task. Segregation is built into urban areas. How does one undo that? There are other limits to this solution set as well. How can Mormons ever truly live among us? No one knows.


So you just asked, how do you measure it and how to you fix it. Segregation/desegregation is a long-proven indicator of likelihood/unlikelihood of racial/ethnic/etc. problems. Macro and macro scale.


We good?

I agree segregation is bad. So does everyone else.

When your meal ticket is "fighting racism" you have a perverse incentive to ignore when progress occurs; hence modern libs pretending it's still the 1960s.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree segregation is bad. So does everyone else.

Come on. That's just lazy. In order to contend against a position, you do not have to say it is fighting ghosts.



That's a strawman by proxy. You don't make you opponent a strawman, but you argue they tilt at windmills, etc. Not going to work here though.



That only works if your opponent is actually fighting ghosts. Since that is not the case, the stronger move is to find problems with method. Your opponent has the right idea, and a real enemy, but they are: self-defeating; targeting the wrong cause; not presenting a coherent solution; etc.


And, let me say, you missed my point. I am not claiming "believing" in desegregation matters a shit. I am claiming, actual desegregated communities as a rule suffer less racial/ethnic/ etc./ tension.


Raised in NY area, integration really comes down not so much to what block you live on, but who you work alongside of, ride the bus next to, cross the street with, etc. It's about daily life integration. Private social life revolves around daily workaday life, not vice versa. If your only life is "in the house" you are not living a normal life.



It is proven it works. Which was the initial puzzlement I was trying to remedy. Someone asked, how do you solve racism. This. But it is not belief. It is actual.


I do not give one single fuck what anyone "believes." Their "beliefs" can dream on. I'm dealing with what's real.


And reality: you're welcome.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you measure racism? It's a very important question.

"Let's stop racism!" is obviously a goal everyone should aspire to (and already does), but nobody can ever seem to articulate what that means or how it could possibly be measured. Do you envision some ideal scenario where somebody declares "okay, racism is now over!"? Who would that person be, and how would they know?

Those guys marching with tiki torches were chanting yous will not replace us, not Jews will not replace us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those guys marching with tiki torches were chanting yous will not replace us, not Jews will not replace us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah all 20 of them and everyone hates their guts, rightfully so. In a country of 330mil, twenty tiki guys doesn't seem like a huge deal. Especially when everyone hates their guts.

See, in a racist country, those guys would be celebrated and not condemned by literally everybody.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah all 20 of them and everyone hates their guts, rightfully so. In a country of 330mil, twenty tiki guys doesn't seem like a huge deal. Especially when everyone hates their guts.

See, in a racist country, those guys would be celebrated and not condemned by literally everybody.

I'm pretty sure the Epstein plane-flyer you Republicans all worship called them very
fine people.

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah all 20 of them and everyone hates their guts, rightfully so. In a country of 330mil, twenty tiki guys doesn't seem like a huge deal. Especially when everyone hates their guts.

See, in a racist country, those guys would be celebrated and not condemned by literally everybody.

that's not his reality though, in his mind nazis and racists ARE everywhere and it's not a unique to Horza problem, cable news, social media, covid whatever you wanna blame it on but the only thing i know for sure is, it has fucked up a large number of people's perception of reality and we decided as a culture it's better to make money off that problem than try to fix it.

if people like Horza actually gave a shit about black communities they would be Big brothers or coaching a inner city basketball team not arguing about it on a fucking elf forum

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's not his reality though, in his mind nazis and racists ARE everywhere and it's not a unique to Horza problem, cable news, social media, covid whatever you wanna blame it on but the only thing i know for sure is, it has fucked up a large number of people's perception of reality and we decided as a culture it's better to make money off that problem than try to fix it.

if people like Horza actually gave a shit about black communities they would be Big brothers or coaching a inner city basketball team not arguing about it on a fucking elf forum

If you choose to vote for a racist piece of shit repeatedly, what does that make you?