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Old 03-09-2023, 04:14 PM
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Sadre, Little Patrece is not going to answer your question. Even if he understands it, he will avoid it.
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Old 03-09-2023, 04:31 PM
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He's very confused and thinks I said something about corporate communists or something.

I explained it again very succinctly for him. Glad to do it again. Here it is once more.

So there's a difference here, separate things. Commies, corporatists. They are not the same. Okay so there's no mentions of "communist corporatists". I never said it, read it again. That being said, these kinds of goofballs do infest corporate environments. The owners of the corporations do not want full blown communism carried out, unlike their constituents. If communism was carried out, these ultra rich people would be toast which is why you never see them pass laws requiring corporations to pay off all their employees' student loans. This is why I say they're stupid and gullible, they are being used.


If the communist morons took over, instead of the corporatists who currently own their faction you'd see the normies get a real wake up call. Okay, should be no confusion here yet but considering who I am dealing with let's not get our hopes up. Again, no "communist corporations", just rich corpo types using these commie clown types.

So let's reiterate it yet again and in steps so an idiot can figure this out, any competent adult would have gotten the point.

- current heads of left/RINO uniparty: corpos. Spend a few seconds here, repeat it to yourself.

- the commies who fall for all this virtue signaling and nonsense, if they were the kind of people in charge instead of the corpos, the policies that would get implemented would be so much worse and insane that you wouldn't believe it.

Basanos is a libtard and his narrative has completely collapsed.

It stands to reason that he does know better and he blindly carries out his agenda.


Sadre LARPs as some kind of crazy person but I love him.

All questions were answered, all attempts to mix up what I said should be handled. If you aren't one of these clowns and have a question still, ask away.
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Old 03-09-2023, 05:37 PM
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I saw exactly what you were saying. I said as much here:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=2432

So I got that. But as I say there, then somehow:

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...That being said, these kinds of goofballs do infest corporate environments...
  1. How? Where?
  2. What do they do within a corporation, that I can use to ID them?
Sub-questions:
  1. Are the corporations aware of this infestation?
  2. Why do you say "corporations do not want full communism"?
  3. Are you implying they are using "communism" in some way?
  4. How? Why?
  5. What the hell is going on in the goddam C-suites of America?
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Old 03-09-2023, 06:08 PM
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I saw exactly what you were saying. I said as much here:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=2432

So I got that. But as I say there, then somehow:


  1. How? Where?
  2. What do they do within a corporation, that I can use to ID them?
Sub-questions:
  1. Are the corporations aware of this infestation?
  2. Why do you say "corporations do not want full communism"?
  3. Are you implying they are using "communism" in some way?
  4. How? Why?
  5. What the hell is going on in the goddam C-suites of America?
Just to speculate mischievously, HR departments. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 03-10-2023, 11:49 AM
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Just to speculate mischievously, HR departments. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. I've decided to help Patrece out.

  1. Communism is totally diff from the social justice movement.
  2. Communism implies major structural changes that are incompatible with capital economics.
  3. Communism scared Corporate America in the first half of the 20th century.
  4. Corporate America then invented identity politics as a distraction from more radical ideas..
  5. They won't hire a communist, but they will show how enlightened they are by doing social justice things with hiring, policy, etc. They will close a plant in a state to show they dislike the Confederacy, and so forth.
  6. Historically, the social justice movement is a classic distraction move. The real threat is indeed the terribly bad ideas of communism. But communism has been dead for around 40 years, as an idea.
  7. What has replaced it is "social justice," which by unspoken rule *never* brings up major communist-scale systemic changes to how capitalism works.
Clear? You hashed together two things whose history is not as tidy as you assume. I know some serious Marxists. To refer to aussenseiter, they hate this con the left has fallen for. HR revolutions? lol. Changes nothing, from a Marxist perspective.
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Old 03-10-2023, 12:32 PM
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Yeah. I've decided to help Patrece out.

  1. Communism is totally diff from the social justice movement.
  2. Communism implies major structural changes that are incompatible with capital economics.
  3. Communism scared Corporate America in the first half of the 20th century.
  4. Corporate America then invented identity politics as a distraction from more radical ideas..
  5. They won't hire a communist, but they will show how enlightened they are by doing social justice things with hiring, policy, etc. They will close a plant in a state to show they dislike the Confederacy, and so forth.
  6. Historically, the social justice movement is a classic distraction move. The real threat is indeed the terribly bad ideas of communism. But communism has been dead for around 40 years, as an idea.
  7. What has replaced it is "social justice," which by unspoken rule *never* brings up major communist-scale systemic changes to how capitalism works.
Clear? You hashed together two things whose history is not as tidy as you assume. I know some serious Marxists. To refer to aussenseiter, they hate this con the left has fallen for. HR revolutions? lol. Changes nothing, from a Marxist perspective.
Critical theory is a variant of Post Marxism.

I'm helping too!! 🙃
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Old 03-10-2023, 01:57 PM
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Critical theory is a variant of Post Marxism.

I'm helping too!! 🙃

I was just gonna say. Let's tidy up that problem? Just so maybe there can be some indication this entire subculture is not on crazy pills? So I'm gonna do a list again. Captain Lists. This time, in no particular order:

  • There is sometimes a big difference between academic theories and political bullshit.
  • Academically, "critical theory" is a broad term for a collection of theoreticalmethods.
  • "Critical theory" arguably begins with Kant -- 200+ years ago.
  • Critical theory can be applied to anything. Again, it's a method of studying things. Anything "human" can be studied using this method. It requires a "subject."
  • In it's modern form critical theory was also called structuralist theory in the US. It's considered old fashioned now. Today, academically, very few structuralists left, and the critical theorists today are eye-wateringly weak shit. Academically. IE: Bad scholars.
  • 20th century critical theory, especially in the US, was often a safe place for lots of weak shit, so that's saying something.
If critical race theory is a variant of post Marxism, which it is, it also has to be granted that Marxism is a variant of post Kantianism, which really gets the comedy juices flowing here.

A lot of problems are instantly solved if people understood what the word "structural" means in this theoretical tradition.

The hardcore structuralist is brutal! (rimshot)


Personal view. If the complaint is that outside the sciences the academic disciplines are a fucking trainwreck, well no shit. You know how in war movies, a ship or a submarine has been hit, and the bulkheads are closing, and there is always the last guy who managed to get out before the area turns into an aquarium? That's my education. I just made it. My profs made me suffer -- their intellectual demands, not their politics. And we all agreed likely! But dear god that is trivial bullshit! When I was educated, if you ever displayed you were aware of "the real world" you were shunned.


One can *always* get educated. But you kind of have to already be on the way, so to speak. Maybe just keep in mind, you kids, that I, as an older academic, find it perfectly innocent to mumble under your breath, "This dick should be shot." That would be ideal, but alas, our fate is less than ideal, and justly so, for that makes things challenging.

(Tedious: Without Kant, no formal arguments and statements of Rousseau's much too literary-expressed demand for "human liberty." And without that, you start to get into territory where you wonder what actual history would look like. The American Revolution was not a populist movement. It was an application of Locke, but the heart of our governing ideas are Kantian. "Moral absolutes" = rights + duties, correct? That's Kant not Locke.)


Wall of text. Wall of text. And before you know it, they give you a degree and a job. Lookin good, feelin good.
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Old 03-09-2023, 06:07 PM
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He's very confused and thinks I said something about corporate communists or something.

I explained it again very succinctly for him. Glad to do it again. Here it is once more.

So there's a difference here, separate things. Commies, corporatists. They are not the same. Okay so there's no mentions of "communist corporatists". I never said it, read it again. That being said, these kinds of goofballs do infest corporate environments. The owners of the corporations do not want full blown communism carried out, unlike their constituents. If communism was carried out, these ultra rich people would be toast which is why you never see them pass laws requiring corporations to pay off all their employees' student loans. This is why I say they're stupid and gullible, they are being used.


If the communist morons took over, instead of the corporatists who currently own their faction you'd see the normies get a real wake up call. Okay, should be no confusion here yet but considering who I am dealing with let's not get our hopes up. Again, no "communist corporations", just rich corpo types using these commie clown types.

So let's reiterate it yet again and in steps so an idiot can figure this out, any competent adult would have gotten the point.

- current heads of left/RINO uniparty: corpos. Spend a few seconds here, repeat it to yourself.

- the commies who fall for all this virtue signaling and nonsense, if they were the kind of people in charge instead of the corpos, the policies that would get implemented would be so much worse and insane that you wouldn't believe it.

Basanos is a libtard and his narrative has completely collapsed.

It stands to reason that he does know better and he blindly carries out his agenda.


Sadre LARPs as some kind of crazy person but I love him.

All questions were answered, all attempts to mix up what I said should be handled. If you aren't one of these clowns and have a question still, ask away.
A+ content would goad again
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Old 03-09-2023, 06:08 PM
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Lol you might have to read a few times....
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