Ogre is a Noob Trap

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am curious which "ogre ravers" you are referring to. I agree with GreatDane, I haven't seen people on these forums make posts with headlines such as "if you aren't an Ogre, stop playing".

People who are anti-Ogre generally say things that aren't true, so people correct them.

As has been said many times, no race is unplayable in the game. Just give people the facts (more stats = better, some racials are better than others), and let them decide how they want to play.

I really don't understand why people have such a hard time with this on these forums.

I don’t find your angle particularly researched or unique (sorry…that wasn’t aimed at you, it’s a bumper sticker we hear a lot from both sides). I’ve played this game for about 20 years and the majority of my posts aren’t in support of any one thing.

I’ve had ogres, trolls, elves, littles. I don’t care frankly. I put together a test magelo to show some objective data comparing giant races to small ones with moderate tanking gear and it favored large races. I still posted it because again, I’m not caught in a sunken cost fallacy. I find results interesting, not personally attacking.

As for why people have such “trouble with topics like this on the forum” maybe you should find a different proxy to argue that point. Pot, kettle, and all that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t find your angle particularly researched or unique (sorry…that wasn’t aimed at you, it’s a bumper sticker we hear a lot from both sides). I’ve played this game for about 20 years and the majority of my posts aren’t in support of any one thing.

I’ve had ogres, trolls, elves, littles. I don’t care frankly. I put together a test magelo to show some objective data comparing giant races to small ones with moderate tanking gear and it favored large races. I still posted it because again, I’m not caught in a sunken cost fallacy. I find results interesting, not personally attacking.

As for why people have such “trouble with topics like this on the forum” maybe you should find a different proxy to argue that point. Pot, kettle, and all that.

I have probably done more research on the topic than most people on these forums (for P99 specifically, other Everquest servers are irrelevant). I don't find it personally attacking either, but a lot of people do resort to personal attacks (not saying you are doing that).

The "bumper stickers" mostly come from the people who argue without data. Not saying you are doing that, but that has been my experience on these forums. Someone will make a "factual" argument, but never actually back it up.

There is no "sunken cost" fallacy going on here. Some people like fashion, some people like min/max, some people don't care. Give people the facts and let them decide how they want to play. I just find it interesting that P99 specifically has people who want to obscure the data (not saying you are doing that) for some reason.

[Snaggles]

Very sorry about that. I overreacted. Still heavily jet lagged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed, it’s just math either way. Much of it is easily measurable with the green numbers. In many cases an evil race will be beneficial over a good race, especially if casually geared (most people are). They got xp penalties for a reason. As for if unjustifiably so, that’s a debate for another day.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very sorry about that. I overreacted. Still heavily jet lagged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed, it’s just math either way. Much of it is easily measurable with the green numbers. In many cases an evil race will be beneficial over a good race, especially if casually geared (most people are). They got xp penalties for a reason. As for if unjustifiably so, that’s a debate for another day.

No worries at all, I didn't take offense. I always hate jet lag.