SK Race question + item help (have never played a tank)

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The clickies are the important part. They will help you more with soloing than Greenmist. When raiding, neither Blood Ember or Greenmist are needed/required. It's really that simple.

Nothing is needed or required for anything. You don't need BE for soloing either. This has to be the worst point I've ever heard you make. It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as you can still talk about marginal benefits. An iksar is still the best raiding SK due to greenmist resists, AC bonus, & regen. It's really that simple.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't irrelevant, because min/maxing for raiding on an SK is pointless. You are going to be switching to another character most of the time.

I really don't understand this silly idea of "showing bias". Everybody does that, because everybody has an opinion. You are doing it too! The difference is my opinions are actually based on math and facts[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please stop saying I am "spreading false information" without actual evidence for your claims.

Factually speaking Blood Ember saves you more time soloing than Greenmist.

You stated iksars make bad shamans, sks, warriors. This is factually incorrect, as they make the best raiding shamans, sks, and warriors, and arguably the best grouping shamana/sks/warriors as well. You can even make a case for them being the best soloing versions as well. Kunark clickies have nothing to do with "best" when talking about min max at 60. It's really that simple.

The only thing factually correct that you've stated is the benefit of blood ember saving mana. While kunark clickies are nice, they are not the sole determining factor if you're trying to min max a race.

Pretty much all of your claims are "best solo benefit at 60 = best race to play for said class". These are opinions based on incorrect math, as not everyone spends 99-100% of their time soloing like you do.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing is needed or required for anything. You don't need BE for soloing either. This has to be the worst point I've ever heard you make. It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as you can still talk about marginal benefits. An iksar is still the best raiding SK due to greenmist resists, AC bonus, & regen. It's really that simple.

The only bad point here is this. Saying nothing matters is pointless in a discussion. People what to know what is best, even if it doesn't matter. You can enjoy min/maxing even if it isn't required for content. I am simply stating the facts of the game so people can make the decision that is best for them. I don't know why you have to keep muddying the facts. If you think I am wrong, actually back it up with math/facts.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You stated iksars make bad shamans, sks, warriors. This is factually incorrect, as they make the best raiding shamans, sks, and warriors, and arguably the best grouping shamana/sks/warriors as well. You can even make a case for them being the best soloing versions as well. Kunark clickies have nothing to do with "best" when talking about min max at 60. It's really that simple.

The problem here is you don't understand what Min/Max means. Min/Max means you get most benefit in the most situations. Most people aren't Min/Maxing for raiding, because most people don't raid often. For P99, Min/Max is always going to go towards Soloing/Grouping, because that is what most people do most of the time.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing factually correct that you've stated is the benefit of blood ember saving mana. While kunark clickies are nice, they are not the sole determining factor if you're trying to min max a race.

How am I incorrect? Saving mana on a mana-bound class is more important than saving HP. That is a simple fact. Sitting and meditating less = more time killing mobs.

When looking at Iksar vs. non-Iksar Warrior/Shaman/Shadowknight, clickies are the primary factor. That is the main trade-off. You can pick a Troll for Warrior/Shaman/Shadowknight, so the Regeneration isn't a factor. The Iksar AC bonus is quite minor on plate wearing classes, so it is a negligible factor. You are basically doing a Greenmist vs. Blood Ember calculation, and Blood Ember wins out.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only bad point here is this. Saying nothing matters is pointless in a discussion. People what to know what is best, even if it doesn't matter. You can enjoy min/maxing even if it isn't required for content. I am simply stating the facts of the game so people can make the decision that is best for them. I don't know why you have to keep muddying the facts. If you think I am wrong, actually back it up with math/facts.




The problem here is you don't understand what Min/Max means. Min/Max means you get most benefit in the most situations. Most people aren't Min/Maxing for raiding, because most people don't raid often. For P99, Min/Max is always going to go towards Soloing/Grouping, because that is what most people do most of the time.



How am I incorrect? Saving mana on a mana-bound class is more important than saving HP. That is a simple fact. Sitting and meditating less = more time killing mobs.

When looking at Iksar vs. non-Iksar Warrior/Shaman/Shadowknight, clickies are the primary factor. That is the main trade-off. You can pick a Troll for Warrior/Shaman/Shadowknight, so the Regeneration isn't a factor. The Iksar AC bonus is quite minor on plate wearing classes, so it is a negligible factor. You are basically doing a Greenmist vs. Blood Ember calculation, and Blood Ember wins out.

Iksars are the best raiding race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.
Iksars are the best grouping race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.
Iksars are the best soloing race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.

It's really that simple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksars are the best raiding race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.
Iksars are the best grouping race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.
Iksars are the best soloing race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.

It's really that simple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please posts facts/evidence to back up your claims.