Knight vs Ranger dps

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by sogundordor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice thread OP!! I'd like to talk about it for a long time~
I have a ranger and my friend has a pally, we are in same guild so its easy to compare our dps in raid or small group...
Our dps are very close when we killing raid targets like vindi, thifling focuser (easy to parse melees stay close and didn't move at all)
Ranger wielding Meljeldin (best 2hs for ranger, best ratio 2hander for ranger is Shovel of the Harvest but i don't have it)
Pally wielding Tuna sword (best 2hander for knights)
We are close means sometimes ranger do more dmg sometimes pally do more

Do ranger dps was "substantially ahead of knights" before i come to p99?

When i was young (like 20 years ago), there are rumors about hybrids, they said knights trade off their dps to cast some spells so they can tank like a warrior but do less dmg, rangers trade off their tank ability for spells so they can do same dps as warrior but tank like shit, maybe it was true when lvl is capped at 50 ...

It might been misunderstood at the time how/why things work on EQ. A lot of players had misconceptions back then about how the game mechanics worked. It may be that they saw that Knights did less dmg or parsed worse, but they may not have been accounting for fact that in groups Knights more often than not are required to Tank and they will spam spells a lot to hold aggro. A knight won't do melee damage while casting spells, so this would reduce their parsed DPS. Rangers on the other hand are more likely to have been put in a DPS roll which requires minimal spell use or even use of spells that do damage, IE Nukes, Dots.

[sogundordor]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It might been misunderstood at the time how/why things work on EQ. A lot of players had misconceptions back then about how the game mechanics worked. It may be that they saw that Knights did less dmg or parsed worse, but they may not have been accounting for fact that in groups Knights more often than not are required to Tank and they will spam spells a lot to hold aggro. A knight won't do melee damage while casting spells, so this would reduce their parsed DPS. Rangers on the other hand are more likely to have been put in a DPS roll which requires minimal spell use or even use of spells that do damage, IE Nukes, Dots.

Yes yes agree, its no good to direct compare knights dps, cos sometimes they went to trash tank, "protect chanters" they are not always doing dps when rangers are mainly doing dps or cast 1 or 2 jolt/cotp if asked
i'll try to find some log that is "no trash tanking no buffing mainly dpsing" when home [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Danth]

45/38 compared to a knight with 50/39 w/ 160 DD special represents a fairly substantial handicap for the ranger. That they do similar damage when the knight has a significantly better weapon illustrates the ranger's superior baseline. Be interesting to parse them with all other factors (buffs, weapons, et cetera) being identical so as to show how much class alone affects it.

Danth

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

45/38 compared to a knight with 50/39 w/ 160 DD special represents a fairly substantial handicap for the ranger. That they do similar damage when the knight has a significantly better weapon illustrates the ranger's superior baseline. Be interesting to parse them with all other factors (buffs, weapons, et cetera) being identical so as to show how much class alone affects it.

Danth

I agree. In order make the test as accurate and precise as possible, it would be best to eliminate all the possible variables: level, haste, NPC level variance, spell casting, etc.; except for the Variable that you trying to test for, DPS. Ideally all the Classes would be the same level, same amount of haste, same strength, same weapon, same NPC. The only variable should be the class alone. That way you know for sure what each class is capable of.

[magnetaress]

Having seen parses ranjurs win hands down no contest.