Spells: Flame Lick not producing Agro/Threat

[YendorLootmonkey]

There's plenty of documentation from Classic/Kunark/Velious that Paladins/SKs/Rangers were the kings of snap aggro... it was one of our main utilities (despite the fact that rangers were not plate class, so once we grabbed the mob off the caster, we had to root it or hope for some quick heals), so I'm sure that the overall impact was unintentional.

Dolalin can probably quickly dig up enough old excerpts during the timeline to support Flame Lick / Snare had a much higher aggro that it currently does.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's plenty of documentation from Classic/Kunark/Velious that Paladins/SKs/Rangers were the kings of snap aggro... it was one of our main utilities (despite the fact that rangers were not plate class, so once we grabbed the mob off the caster, we had to root it or hope for some quick heals), so I'm sure that the overall impact was unintentional.

Dolalin can probably quickly dig up enough old excerpts during the timeline to support Flame Lick / Snare had a much higher aggro that it currently does.

Pretty difficult to get accurrate Idea of how much hate these spells produced in Era from anecdotal posts. Would need hard numbers to justify any kind of change. Majority of the posts I've seen are Vague and don't actually give any hard numbers to backup claims. I'm skeptical, but who knows maybe someone can find a posts that has actual data in it, instead of Vague anecdotes about spells.

[long.liam]

Of course, from what I tested the only thing that doesn't seem correct is the counter hate is gone. Everything else seems correct. Feel free to test it yourself and prove me wrong.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty difficult to get accurrate Idea of how much hate these spells produced in Era from anecdotal posts. Would need hard numbers to justify any kind of change. Majority of the posts I've seen are Vague and don't actually give any hard numbers to backup claims. I'm skeptical, but who knows maybe someone can find a posts that has actual data in it, instead of Vague anecdotes about spells.

Uthgaard already did this work:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...67&postcount=7

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...72&postcount=8

I don't know what hard numbers were used to make the change in the first place, but it is clear that the resulting impact does not match anyone's experience during the target timespan of this project.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty difficult to get accurrate Idea of how much hate these spells produced in Era from anecdotal posts. Would need hard numbers to justify any kind of change. Majority of the posts I've seen are Vague and don't actually give any hard numbers to backup claims.

Vague or not, a general consensus did exist and few, if any, posts refute it. While actual numbers would be ideal, a more pragmatic quick fix would be to compare the spells in question to other spells as they are now and were described in firsthand classic accounts and adjust them accordingly for the time being, before making more accurate changes over time as the information becomes available.

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm skeptical, but who knows maybe someone can find a posts that has actual data in it, instead of Vague anecdotes about spells.

https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5570