How about...(raidmobs)

[Skope]

yea, and why change or modify any rules at all until you can prove you guys can handle working out problems on your own? changing the rules and keeping that shitty behavior does nothing about the shitty behavior. and it's not the rules that cause the problems, as you just said, but it's that shitty behavior.

Like i said, I've dealt with your assholes. It's hard to negotiate when the other end isn't even responding to tells. ya dig?

you shouldn't be having this conversation with me, but the officers of the 2 guilds everybody's sick of. now ask yourself why the GMs are sick of you two? do you really think changing the rules fixes that?

Like i said, delete it all until they grow up.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea, and why change or modify any rules at all until you can prove you guys can handle working out problems on your own?

That is what we're trying to do. By proposing new raid systems (like variance, or Kinsawt's anti-poopsocking, no going past door idea). I'm not saying either of these ideas are the solution, but at least they're ideas that someone is putting out there. People coming in here and being like "TR is crying" contributes nothing. I have yet to see TMO provide an idea that isn't "Lets poopsock on the ledge as opposed to on the spawn point" - which is basically the same thing.

All I'm saying is that no one should be jumping down anyone's throat for providing a new idea - especially when that is exactly what the server staff and even you yourself skope, is asking for. I called you dumb because you were essentially saying that "the top guilds are greedy and that is the only reason they're bringing it up now".. firstly that isn't true (see: GMs requesting a solution, hence us bringing it up now) and secondly, even it if were true, how does saying it in this thread help anything?

I don't have any authorization from anyone in my guild to be a spokesperson or anything, but just on a person to person level - if anyone in TMO seriously has an idea they'd like to present on how to end poopsocking (not just move it to a different location) I'd be THRILLED to hear it and assuming it actually was a viable solution, I'd have no problem using what extremely limited influence I have in TR to endorse it.

I don't care where the solution comes from or even what it really is - I just get frustrated when 95% of the posts are just hating on an idea but providing none of their own.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is what we're trying to do. By proposing new raid systems (like variance, or Kinsawt's anti-poopsocking, no going past door idea). TMO provide an idea that isn't "Lets poopsock on the ledge as opposed to on the spawn point" - which is basically the same thing.

How is camping behind the door different than the ledge... another 50 feet? Be real.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is camping behind the door different than the ledge... another 50 feet? Be real.

Originally Posted by Loke

I don't have any authorization from anyone in my guild to be a spokesperson or anything, but just on a person to person level - if anyone in TMO seriously has an idea they'd like to present on how to end poopsocking (not just move it to a different location) I'd be THRILLED to hear it and assuming it actually was a viable solution, I'd have no problem using what extremely limited influence I have in TR to endorse it.

Alarti, let's stop pointing fingers and work together to find a solution. I don't care whose fault it is that we're currently poopsocking, all i care about is finding a resolution. You can keep taking digs like this at every post I make if you want, but I'm only really interested in talking about what we can do to remedy this situation. If you're interested, feel free to PM me here, hit me up on AIM, or in game. Like I said, I have absolutely no authority to speak on behalf of TR, but I'm more than willing to throw some ideas around and see if we can't find something that sticks.