How about...(raidmobs)

[Skope]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not accusing you of anything but more of a question...

Why are spawn times an issue now but they weren't for the last several months?

because there's competition now so they're "forced" to poopsock (both TMO/TR). if you miss out on a few dragons and don't see the same amount of loot you used to you quickly start to notice the flaws in the system. guilds tend to turn to dick-ish behavior where they can capitalize on any single advantage they can get; example: leaving your PC on and your character logged in in a particular zone so you can respond to the batphone faster.

basically boils down to "if they do it then we have to do it too in order to stay competitive because they have X advantage" but in reality they both hate the fact that they're "forced" to do it so they bitch and moan on the forums.

Loke, you're being a dick. He has an extremely fucking valid point and so does Uthgaard. They're tired of fucking babysitting you douchemonkeys every time a raid mob spawns because you're so greedy and competitive and have created a top-end raid scene that even you have a hard time enjoying. If i were uthgaard I'd despawn and delete any loot that drops every time there is a petition that could have been resolved before the thing spawned. You have no idea how many times I've sent tells to you fuckholes before a potential problem only to be completely fucking ignored or even get back a asshole response. Considering who the officers are in the two respective guilds I'm going to assume that shit still happens quite frequently. Somehow you sound pissy that uthgaard has a problem? or that chica doesn't know why the problem wasn't seen/solved before? are you fucking serious? it's the same issue that you've dealt with on both sides of the battlefield and I'm getting the vibe that you're upset that uthgaard has to delete loot after you've wasted days of your time... well, that's not his problem but yours. and it's been your problem for years now

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because there's competition now so they're "forced" to poopsock (both TMO/TR). if you miss out on a few dragons and don't see the same amount of loot you used to you quickly start to notice the flaws in the system.

I'm just going to say it this time - you're wrong and dumb.

Let me emphasize something for you:

UTHGAARD HIMSELF HAS SAID THERE NEEDS TO BE CHANGES TO THE RAID SYSTEM - NOT TR, NOT TMO - UTHGAARD.

We're simply providing possible solutions to what the server staff has deemed a problem. How do you people still not understand this?

[Arillious]

PVP is the solution to all of your problems.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Arillious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PVP is the solution to all of your problems.

Actaully, even though I don't think it's right that red vs. blue always comes into play (both have merits) this actually would solve your problems.

No more poopsocking, it would be a massive war.

I know you guys don't like the idea of pvp in this game but just imagine trying it out for a bit. If Rog can turn pvp on in a single zone when a mob is in dispute.

[Fourthmeal]

Originally Posted by Arillious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PVP is the solution to all of your problems.

Fighting over raid mobs is how its supposed to work in this game guys

[druziil]

I agree with Bruman's idea but not the nuber. Have Trak drop 12 to 15 teeth. Work on a rotation that any guild can sign up for. Whoever has next kill has a specific time to engage when he spawns before loosing their turn(30 mins sound reasonable?) to the next guild in rotation that forms there. If you wipe you lose your turn.

This keeps the variance and still rewards the actively tracking guilds as well as gives more people a chance to get kills/keys, while still rewarding the active fast moving capable guilds with better success rates.

The reason you might disagree to this is if you genuinely want to deny as many people VP access as posible. If that really is the case then there is no hope of ever reaching an agreement between players and will result in some stupid rule like what happened with the prod camp. The only camping in this case would be 30 mins for every guild in the rotation in front of yours and lets all be honest there will only ever be a handfull of guilds with the raid potential to be viable for this kind of encounter. So maybe 2 or 3 hours for any socking.





Edit: By any guild I do mean any guild that meets a certain standard. Obviously you have to be able to field a raid force and one capable of getting to the spawn area. Kimmie and Nalken need not apply.

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by druziil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with Bruman's idea but not the nuber. Have Trak drop 12 to 15 teeth. Work on a rotation that any guild can sign up for. Whoever has next kill has a specific time to engage when he spawns before loosing their turn(30 mins sound reasonable?) to the next guild in rotation that forms there. If you wipe you lose your turn.

This keeps the variance and still rewards the actively tracking guilds as well as gives more people a chance to get kills/keys, while still rewarding the active fast moving capable guilds with better success rates.

The reason you might disagree to this is if you genuinely want to deny as many people VP access as posible. If that really is the case then there is no hope of ever reaching an agreement between players and will result in some stupid rule like what happened with the prod camp. The only camping in this case would be 30 mins for every guild in the rotation in front of yours and lets all be honest there will only ever be a handfull of guilds with the raid potential to be viable for this kind of encounter. So maybe 2 or 3 hours for any socking.





Edit: By any guild I do mean any guild that meets a certain standard. Obviously you have to be able to field a raid force and one capable of getting to the spawn area. Kimmie and Nalken need not apply.

Not sure if serious.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because there's competition now so they're "forced" to poopsock (both TMO/TR). if you miss out on a few dragons and don't see the same amount of loot you used to you quickly start to notice the flaws in the system. guilds tend to turn to dick-ish behavior where they can capitalize on any single advantage they can get; example: leaving your PC on and your character logged in in a particular zone so you can respond to the batphone faster.

basically boils down to "if they do it then we have to do it too in order to stay competitive because they have X advantage" but in reality they both hate the fact that they're "forced" to do it so they bitch and moan on the forums.

Loke, you're being a dick. He has an extremely fucking valid point and so does Uthgaard. They're tired of fucking babysitting you douchemonkeys every time a raid mob spawns because you're so greedy and competitive and have created a top-end raid scene that even you have a hard time enjoying. If i were uthgaard I'd despawn and delete any loot that drops every time there is a petition that could have been resolved before the thing spawned. You have no idea how many times I've sent tells to you fuckholes before a potential problem only to be completely fucking ignored or even get back a asshole response. Considering who the officers are in the two respective guilds I'm going to assume that shit still happens quite frequently. Somehow you sound pissy that uthgaard has a problem? or that chica doesn't know why the problem wasn't seen/solved before? are you fucking serious? it's the same issue that you've dealt with on both sides of the battlefield and I'm getting the vibe that you're upset that uthgaard has to delete loot after you've wasted days of your time... well, that's not his problem but yours. and it's been your problem for years now

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