100k to make a monk twink - solo only

[radbeard]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With an IFS you have just over a second (if not hasted at all) to time swapping in a 28 delay offhand and are more likely to miss the MH timer and delay a 2h hit even a fraction of a second. If you are cycling on/off attack whether to flop aggro or try and game the MH timer you are just as likely to forget to turn attack back on or bork a flop. The more complicated something gets often the less reliable it is to repeat consistently, especially under pressure or if tired.

I don’t know anyone else who swaps in an offhand. I (and many others) just hover the 2h for a punch or two while keeping attack on. It’s a solid and fairly easy increase in damage you can get a rhythm on. I’d keep a SoS for the proc and then put it away for another hr or so.

IFS is 40 delay. Thats 4 seconds. At 100% max haste its 2 seconds. Its still wildly difficult to do this swapping thing and I don't think it makes any sense to even attempt it, but its not as bad as 1 second!

Its probably also worth noting that if you never misfire and do a punch primary attack, a merely delayed primary attack isn't necessarily a straight dps loss if your offhand is doing a good chunk of damage and the delay is minimal then it could still be a dps increase. it just isn't feasible to keep this up without error for very long. Maybe if Wurmslayer could be offhanded still it would be worth considering!

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by radbeard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IFS is 40 delay. Thats 4 seconds. At 100% max haste its 2 seconds. Its still wildly difficult to do this swapping thing and I don't think it makes any sense to even attempt it, but its not as bad as 1 second!

Its probably also worth noting that if you never misfire and do a punch primary attack, a merely delayed primary attack isn't necessarily a straight dps loss if your offhand is doing a good chunk of damage and the delay is minimal then it could still be a dps increase. it just isn't feasible to keep this up without error for very long. Maybe if Wurmslayer could be offhanded still it would be worth considering!

I was just noting the difference between the MH (4 seconds, 2 fully hasted at 60) and the 28 delay offhand (SoS) is a .5-1 second gap depending on haste. If you can do the swap you don't get an immediate free hit with the SoS. The fist works great for this because fully hasted it's 8 delay so pretty easy to get a couple cycles in w/o delaying the 2h even a fraction of a second.

As a side-note, the primary fist won't swing until the MH timer resets. I've opened with a Earthshaker (70 delay unhasted) and swapped in a 19 delay primary. I got two ranger punches before I got one more slash off the 1hs MH.

I respect the tryhardism here. The 2h-punch trick can really bump a monk up in DPS. Taking it to 3D chess seems more likely to be a detriment than plus your game. If you have reflexes this quick you probably should go win money at like CS:Go or something [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by radbeard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At 100% max haste its 2 seconds.

A solo melee player will likely not have max haste though. For someone who is just leveling up with typical gear, they will only have 21% - 36%.

But yes, when having high haste amounts, it's more ideal to have a higher delay Two-hander to be able to absolutely maximize DPS.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just noting the difference between the MH (4 seconds, 2 fully hasted at 60) and the 28 delay offhand (SoS) is a .5-1 second gap depending on haste.

.6 to 1.2 depending on haste, yes. The exact time at which you click the offhand needs to be kept within that timeframe during the cycle or else you won't get the extra swing, because it will still be on cooldown from the last time you swung it. To create maximum DPS it's thus necessary to immediately turn off autoattack after the Two-hand swing and swap to the offhand without waiting too long (unless you were to always be slower with your timing and swing the offhand later in the cycle, but that's a ridiculous risk to take, because you would be likely to mess up the next primary attack).

What actually may be easier to not mess up the timing, is to not use autoattack at all. Instead, spam the hotkey for manual attack on Two-hander after reequipping it, that way you'll "feel" the swing happen and can swap by feel. Not using autoattack will create small input delays on the effective attack delay of your Two-hand weapon, but if that's what's needed for a particular individual to get the dual attack every round, then that is going to result in better DPS overall.

The most user-friendly method will be to not swap every attack round, instead every other Two-hand round. That way there will be less work and less worry about timing, but still a decent DPS increase.

Originally Posted by Kirdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There isn't a way to get extra weapon swings in by swapping something into your offhand

As explained already, yes there is.

It's very important for Warriors and Rangers. I vividly recall my favorite Warriors in 1999 swapping every round with their Executioners Axes and Slayers Axes and Fleshrippers, and the difference was huge. Grouping with less skilled Warriors felt bad, you could immediately feel how they were contributing less.

As lower delay weapons and high haste amounts entered into the game, the technique seemingly was forgotten about. It's still the best thing to do though.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's very important for Warriors and Rangers.

No its not, as velious was beat in kunark gear without weapon swapping. Its levels of autism higher than canni dancing. Hope this helps.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

velious was beat in kunark gear without weapon swapping.

So what if zerg can beat content. That has nothing to do with maximizing your character in other situations where the difference matters more.

Players who are trying to level or farm or beat certain content with the smallest amount of people possible will see big gains by playing better.

What you call "autism" is standard level of top play in competitive games. It's hilarious how you even said that about Monk offhand fist technique in this thread. Wow, clicking your Two-hander off and on sure is a difficult task, when otherwise you would be sitting there doing nothing else at all, just staring at the NPC and autoattacking. LOL.

Trying to full weapon swap every round with max haste is surely annoying, but at least occasionally it will feel rewarding, if you know it's needed to beat a certain NPC.

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If on blue could you show me what you are talking about? I have diff weps to try and can run gam parse. I wanna see how to do it please /nod

I don't have a dual wield character on Blue. I also don't have EQ installed at all right now.

Just try without too high of a haste mod to start. You could also not use auto-attack to start with. Create a hotkeys for manual attack with your primary weapon and offhand weapon, and have a bag opened and positioned next to your equippable weapon slots on screen, so you can switch between your Two-hander and offhand weapon with minimal mouse movement. Press the hotkey for manual attack with the primary weapon, swap in the offhand and press that attack hotkey, then swap in the primary weapon and hit that attack hotkey until it happens (at which point then you swap again and keep repeating the cycle).

You'll have to find what feels optimal for you. When max hasted, swapping every other round is probably going to be most viable. What two-handers does your character have right now?

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what if zerg can beat content. That has nothing to do with maximizing your character in other situations where the difference matters more.

Players who are trying to level or farm or beat certain content with the smallest amount of people possible will see big gains by playing better.

What you call "autism" is standard level of top play in competitive games. It's hilarious how you even said that about Monk offhand fist technique in this thread. Wow, clicking your Two-hander off and on sure is a difficult task, when otherwise you would be sitting there doing nothing else at all, just staring at the NPC and autoattacking. LOL.

Trying to full weapon swap every round with max haste is surely annoying, but at least occasionally it will feel rewarding, if you know it's needed to beat a certain NPC.



I don't have a dual wield character on Blue. I also don't have EQ installed at all right now.

Just try without too high of a haste mod to start. You could also not use auto-attack to start with. Create a hotkeys for manual attack with your primary weapon and offhand weapon, and have a bag opened and positioned next to your equippable weapon slots on screen, so you can switch between your Two-hander and offhand weapon with minimal mouse movement. Press the hotkey for manual attack with the primary weapon, swap in the offhand and press that attack hotkey, then swap in the primary weapon and hit that attack hotkey until it happens (at which point then you swap again and keep repeating the cycle).

You'll have to find what feels optimal for you. When max hasted, swapping every other round is probably going to be most viable. What two-handers does your character have right now?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Twisted..._Bastard_Sword

https://wiki.project1999.com/Gaudral...ord_of_the_Sky

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Twisted..._Bastard_Sword

https://wiki.project1999.com/Gaudral...ord_of_the_Sky

No gozz shovel? Oof, don't look for alli If ya hungry

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No gozz shovel? Oof, don't look for alli If ya hungry

Lol

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Twisted..._Bastard_Sword

https://wiki.project1999.com/Gaudral...ord_of_the_Sky

Twisted Steel Bastard Sword is fantastic for DPS, just get yourself a Scimitar of the Emerald Dawn for the offhand now!

That other weapon may have too low of a delay to be able to swap effectively when full hasted, let us know your findings there.

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Twisted Steel Bastard Sword is fantastic for DPS, just get yourself a Scimitar of the Emerald Dawn for the offhand now!

That other weapon may have too low of a delay to be able to swap effectively when full hasted, let us know your findings there.

Ok I'll try and snag one next wuoshi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]