A lack of consequences because leaders and property owners are far out of reach.....

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure are a lot of people who got killed by police despite doing precisely what they were told

I feel like that is an exaggeration

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kind of seems like back-handed victim blaming, unless you're implying there is a genetic trait present in Americans that causes them not to listen to police

Our citizens are not lawful nor obedient enough. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] They are unfortunately lawful and obedient only:
*when it suits them
*when there's profit
*when it protects them from other citizens
*when their jobs are at stake

In all other instances they act like total animals. Are not well trained and disciplined and are a disorderly lot who are more prone to kill themselves and eachother than make solid sound choices

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because our cops sure as hell do kill a shitload of people

Way less than alcohol pollution STDs and drugs and cars and we allow them to exist so give the cops a break

--- also plz define a "shit load" --- is that there a standard scientific measurement of a shitload somewhewere?


---- also alll of this said i'm absolutely terrified of our fascism and super sad by it because it's not fascism for all it's fascism for some. It is also absolutely idiotic fascism about the dumbest shit

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by Rethalis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Abolish public sector unions, should help with the bad cop issue.

How about just police unions, the teachers didn't do squat

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Way less than alcohol pollution STDs and drugs and cars and we allow them to exist so give the cops a break

--- also plz define a "shit load" --- is that there a standard scientific measurement of a shitload somewhewere?

No, just entirely too many. Consistently the only developed country in the top ten by number of police shootings, all the other nine are 'developing'. When adjusted for shootings by ten million people, the USA is at number 33, which is the highest number for any 'developed' country.

That's without even looking at the disproportionate number of those killed being black males. This kid survived and doesn't seem to be black, so yay for being an outlier, I guess.

The other things that kill large numbers of people, pollution, drugs, cars... different discussion. Also bad news in a lot of those sectors.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like that is an exaggeration

It is

There are about a thousand police shootings in a year. Of those 1000, all but maybe 10 were legal, meaning the person was an immediate threat to police, a large portion of those shootings involved people who had already shot at police or were in the process of shooting at them

Of those 10ish non-legal shootings, only about 1-2 tend to be people who were following orders, the rest were either resisting or running but not a threat to warrant lethal force so it’s still an illegal shooting

I remember some examples, it’s hard not to because mainstream media saturates the stories unlike police ambushes where cops die, but cops are supposed to die so that’s not considered news-worthy and it goes against the narrative by making us sympathetic to cops

There was a white guy in az shot while following police orders crawling to police, and a black guy shot while laying on the ground with his hands in the air as instructed by police. Those are the only 2 I can recall, maybe a handful more that Rob could find if he combed the internet. I just recalled those 2 off the top of my head

So a tiny % of police shootings which are an insanely tiny % of the millions of police interactions in a year

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is

There are about a thousand police shootings in a year. Of those 1000, all but maybe 10 were legal, meaning the person was an immediate threat to police, a large portion of those shootings involved people who had already shot at police or were in the process of shooting at them

Of those 10ish non-legal shootings, only about 1-2 tend to be people who were following orders, the rest were either resisting or running but not a threat to warrant lethal force so it’s still an illegal shooting

I remember some examples, it’s hard not to because mainstream media saturates the stories unlike police ambushes where cops die, but cops are supposed to die so that’s not considered news-worthy and it goes against the narrative by making us sympathetic to cops

There was a white guy in az shot while following police orders crawling to police, and a black guy shot while laying on the ground with his hands in the air as instructed by police. Those are the only 2 I can recall, maybe a handful more that Rob could find if he combed the internet. I just recalled those 2 off the top of my head

So a tiny % of police shootings which are an insanely tiny % of the millions of police interactions in a year

The legitimately illegal shootings are the motte and police shootings as a whole are the bailey.

@Ooloo

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The legitimately illegal shootings are the motte and police shootings as a whole are the bailey.

@Ooloo

Any time I read a story about x number of police shootings in a year I want to ask the author what % THEY think involved armed suspects actively trying to kill the cops

Keep in mind that statistic involved every single SWAT interaction with cartel gangs, every single extremely intoxicated individual with a gun who has decided to suicide by cop, etc

It’s like their mind is so warped to the idea that evil cops are going around shooting innocent people that they think these scenarios of people shooting at cops only happen in the movies