"Spyware" dll in P99's patch files.

[Rogean]

If you think what we're doing is bad, wait until you see what companies like Daybreak, Blizzard, and Riot are doing. Wooo boy does it pale in comparison.

But no, we are not collecting your processes/windows. The DLL gets flagged by Antiviruses because it uses obfuscation technologies. Those technologies are also commonly used by viruses, so if an AV company decided to blacklist sections of the obfuscation code, then it will flag. We do attempt to improve that by code signing and reporting to the AV companies when needed.

[Calmethar]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think what we're doing is bad, wait until you see what companies like Daybreak, Blizzard, and Riot are doing. Wooo boy does it pale in comparison.

But no, we are not collecting your processes/windows. The DLL gets flagged by Antiviruses because it uses obfuscation technologies. Those technologies are also commonly used by viruses, so if an AV company decided to blacklist sections of the obfuscation code, then it will flag. We do attempt to improve that by code signing and reporting to the AV companies when needed.

"The others are also doing it, and they're even worse than us, see....!"

Nah, Rogean, that doesn't quite (there you go, Spithridates) cut it.

What you are doing ís bad. That's the entire point here. And you especially know that you've hit the nail perfectly on the head when the trolls all surface immediately after ;-)

Your "we are not collecting your processes/windows" is a statement that you can't possibly prove, so it doesn't really get us anywhere. And the potential constant monitoring of thousands of players processes/windows are "bad" enough here, Rogean, you don't even have to be collecting anything, you obviously know that already.

So why not just start owing up to some of this by putting a huge sign alongside your "patch files" on your front page, stating that you're monitoring peoples windows in order to uphold your "rules". That would be the honest thing to do and at least a start, but you don't really have any intentions of actually informing 99.9 % of your players, do you now, Rogean ;-)

And "obfuscation technologies", haha, good one ;-)

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Calmethar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The others are also doing it, and they're even worse than us, see....!"

Nah, Rogean, that doesn't quite (there you go, Spithridates) cut it.

What you are doing ís bad. That's the entire point here. And you especially know that you've hit the nail perfectly on the head when the trolls all surface immediately after ;-)

Your "we are not collecting your processes/windows" is a statement that you can't possibly prove, so it doesn't really get us anywhere. And the potential constant monitoring of thousands of players processes/windows are "bad" enough here, Rogean, you don't even have to be collecting anything, you obviously know that already.

So why not just start owing up to some of this by putting a huge sign alongside your "patch files" on your front page, stating that you're monitoring peoples windows in order to uphold your "rules". That would be the honest thing to do and at least a start, but you don't really have any intentions of actually informing 99.9 % of your players, do you now, Rogean ;-)

And "obfuscation technologies", haha, good one ;-)

I have a lot of tolerance for the various things people have accused me of over the years, but straight up calling me a liar without proof (haha you actually asked me to prove your accusations wrong ? That's not how things work) is one thing I have very little patience for. That's where the conversation ends.

[Calmethar]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a lot of tolerance for the various things people have accused me of over the years, but straight up calling me a liar without proof (haha you actually asked me to prove your accusations wrong ? That's not how things work) is one thing I have very little patience for. That's where the conversation ends.

Where exactly did I call you a liar, Rogean. That's right, that did not happen. This is the exact sentence:
"Your "we are not collecting your processes/windows" is a statement that you can't possibly prove, so it doesn't really get us anywhere."

But yea, you clearly have very little "tolerance", and have to resort to censorship. I didn't think it would take you this long actually ;-)

[Tann]

Originally Posted by Calmethar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where exactly did I call you a liar, Rogean.

Originally Posted by Calmethar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"we are not collecting your processes/windows" is a statement that you can't possibly prove

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by Calmethar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where exactly did I call you a liar, Rogean. That's right, that did not happen.

Here you go, pal

So why not just start owing up to some of this by putting a huge sign alongside your "patch files" on your front page, stating that you're monitoring peoples windows in order to uphold your "rules". That would be the honest thing to do and at least a start, but you don't really have any intentions of actually informing 99.9 % of your players

Telling him to "own up" and "be honest" implies that you believe he is not being truthful, aka you're calling him a liar.

Probably stop now, before you get banned.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a lot of tolerance for the various things people have accused me of over the years, but straight up calling me a liar without proof (haha you actually asked me to prove your accusations wrong ? That's not how things work) is one thing I have very little patience for. That's where the conversation ends.

What about calling your employer and claiming you're a racist bigoted anti-semite?

God that was a great guest appearance on Galach's stream.

[Valrok]

Originally Posted by Calmethar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The others are also doing it, and they're even worse than us, see....!"

Nah, Rogean, that doesn't quite (there you go, Spithridates) cut it.

What you are doing ís bad. That's the entire point here. And you especially know that you've hit the nail perfectly on the head when the trolls all surface immediately after ;-)

Your "we are not collecting your processes/windows" is a statement that you can't possibly prove, so it doesn't really get us anywhere. And the potential constant monitoring of thousands of players processes/windows are "bad" enough here, Rogean, you don't even have to be collecting anything, you obviously know that already.

So why not just start owing up to some of this by putting a huge sign alongside your "patch files" on your front page, stating that you're monitoring peoples windows in order to uphold your "rules". That would be the honest thing to do and at least a start, but you don't really have any intentions of actually informing 99.9 % of your players, do you now, Rogean ;-)

And "obfuscation technologies", haha, good one ;-)

So Rogean has spoken about this in the past and has went as far as to name the obfuscation software that P99 uses to encrypt the code stored inside the DLL file.

Here is the link to their site so that you can read up on why and how this works. It makes sense to do this.

https://www.oreans.com/themida.php