I read the PNPs outdoor camp guideline but still...

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I am expecting too much, but what are you supposed to do in a game that requires other people to help you, and no one wants to help you?

I would say that contrary to popular belief, a tremendous amount can be done on your own in this game (especially as a wizard and especially leveling, you really don't need to group your way to 60).

Showing your independence and that you aren't just there to leech from the guild is a really good first step.

People will eventually want to help you because they know and like you, not because you're in their guild. Being in their guild is just a vehicle to building relationships with them.

I've done my best in any guild I join to prove I'm a good person. I've helped folks with ports, corpse runs and the like. It's just tough because I never know when the right time is to start asking for help with stuff I need, and I always end up being wrong.

In my experience this is generally something that happens organically. People will reach out. I'm not sure all guilds do this but some guilds also have sort of a trial period--you really can't expect much at the beginning.

The important thing is to not get that riled up if people don't respond. Ask for help once in awhile--cool. But you can't expect people to drop what they're doing all the time, especially if "help" is something kind of big like the Brain Bite quest--that's not trivial, it's a pretty big time investment from potentially more than one person.

Ask to setup a group somewhere--no bites? No problem, keep quadding. Someone tries to start up a group? Raise your hand. If it falls through, no problem, keep quadding.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would say that contrary to popular belief, a tremendous amount can be done on your own in this game (especially as a wizard and especially leveling, you really don't need to group your way to 60).

Showing your independence and that you aren't just there to leech from the guild is a really good first step.

People will eventually want to help you because they know and like you, not because you're in their guild. Being in their guild is just a vehicle to building relationships with them.

It's true. Quadding and AoEing low level dungeons does get boring though, and sometimes I wish I could explore a place like The Hole.

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The important thing is to not get that riled up if people don't respond. Ask for help once in awhile--cool. But you can't expect people to drop what they're doing all the time, especially if "help" is something kind of big like the Brain Bite quest--that's not trivial, it's a pretty big time investment from potentially more than one person.

Thank you for the advice. I am doing just that with my new character. Haven't stepped over any toes and haven't caused any drama. Only trying to cultivate tiny bits of good will here and there, and just trying to enjoy the game on my own. Maybe something cool will happen one of these days.

Honest question though, what *would* be the process I should go through if I do want something like Brain Bite or Phenocryst's Focus?

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honest question though, what *would* be the process I should go through if I do want something like Brain Bite or Phenocryst's Focus?

Show up in KC/CoM, try to get in a group, don't necessarily rely on the guild. If you get a group, and it doesn't have an enchanter/necro, maybe ask in guild if someone can swing by just to charm it for you.

Or, honestly? Just don't do them. You absolutely do not need Concussion and that item isn't _that_ good compared to a Sorcerous Bowl / Book of Obulus type setup.

Concussion can get resisted and until you're 60 hitting for big numbers, you don't do the damage nor do you have the mana to genuinely need it. You can wait to start nuking until like 60% and you'll run out of mana before the thing is dead depending on what it is. And if its a 32k HP boss, it'll be dead LONG before you need to press Concussion.

And if you join the guild at level 55 or whatever, and you stick with them until you're 60, that's a real long time to meet people and coordinate doing that at some point down the road.

EDIT-- and if you want to do that crystal quest anyways, do absolutely everything in it that you can by yourself so that people would just need to show up to assist with whatever needs killing.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or, honestly? Just don't do them. You absolutely do not need Concussion and that item isn't _that_ good compared to a Sorcerous Bowl / Book of Obulus type setup.

Today I actually don't care about getting Concussion anymore, but at the time I didn't know about the situation. I did eventually hear that it takes like 8 casts or some such to negate just one Sunstrike spell. Not really that worth it.

Call me weird but I actually do want that Focus one day though. It looks cooler than a bowl and book imo, it actually *is* better than either one stat-wise, and that's precisely the thing I mean when I say "something that can't just be bought in EC", that feels out of reach.

Also call me weird but I'm really not a fan of the Book of Obulus model. How a person doesn't get hand cramps constantly holding the book like that, especially while running, casting and fighting at the same time, is beyond me. xD

Thank you for the advice though, I do genuinely appreciate it.