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Old 10-04-2022, 10:05 AM
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Weird, I feel like we're only a few steps from full-blown phrenology here. But it's okay because it's about what we now call English people, sorta, mostly

I watched the trio of "Inside the Medieval Mind", "The Normans", and "The Plantagenets" recently with Prof. Robert Bartlett. Interesting stuff.
The Normans invaded England and pretty much conquered it fully, culture and everything within like 50 years. Incredibly fast. So current day England is a mix of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, and Norman.
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Old 10-04-2022, 10:17 AM
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The Normans invaded England and pretty much conquered it fully, culture and everything within like 50 years. Incredibly fast. So current day England is a mix of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, and Norman.
Yes

Which is why we should all instantly dogpile on anyone who says that America should not have __________ in it because it is purely a ____________ nation. It's a stupid, historically ignorant stance to take and in the modern era you only ever see it from conservatives.
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Old 10-04-2022, 10:35 AM
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Which is why we should all instantly dogpile on anyone who says that America should not have __________ in it because it is purely a ____________ nation. It's a stupid, historically ignorant stance to take and in the modern era you only ever see it from conservatives.
How did you turn that into a political thing?

Also, those 3 different groups are so similar to each other that they're classed as "North Western European". I don't even think there's any significant genetic difference between Normans and Anglo-Saxons.

So it actually goes against your argument because in that sense, England is quite homogenous.
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How did you turn that into a political thing?

Also, those 3 different groups are so similar to each other that they're classed as "North Western European". I don't even think there's any significant genetic difference between Normans and Anglo-Saxons.

So it actually goes against your argument because in that sense, England is quite homogenous.
Politics is inescapable. Absolutely everything can be political. Give me almost any subject and I can tie it to politics.

And even if England is trying to be homogenous, as I am sure there are Tories that would love that, it's certainly not the case for America.
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Politics is inescapable. Absolutely everything can be political. Give me almost any subject and I can tie it to politics.
Sounds like Hell to me. Yet there are people who try to force that reality...

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And even if England is trying to be homogenous, as I am sure there are Tories that would love that, it's certainly not the case for America.
England has been homogenous for the last 1000 or so years.
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Have you been to England? One ride on the tube will show you that you're wrong about that. It's about 87% white, less so in London. Whiter than America, I guess, but that's not quite homogenous.
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Have you been to England? One ride on the tube will show you that you're wrong about that. It's about 87% white, less so in London. Whiter than America, I guess, but that's not quite homogenous.
You don't know where my starting point for the 1000 years was.

And Multi-Racialism is one thing.

Multi-Culturalism is another.
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Politics is inescapable. Absolutely everything can be political. Give me almost any subject and I can tie it to politics.

And even if England is trying to be homogenous, as I am sure there are Tories that would love that, it's certainly not the case for America.
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