It's time to revert the clickie nerf

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So both the first two paragraphs were nonsense?

I won't comment too much on the third para as I'm not a very active raider on blue so any comment wouldn't be well informed. But the few times I have participated on blue raids (which would have been with VQ) I believe I saw / used clickies. Maybe those were exceptional circumstances.

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya basically.

No, they were not nonsense.

Azure Guard was a completely separate guild with a different group of players before it merged with Aftermath. This merger of Azure Guard and Aftermath eventually became Vanquish.

Before the second wave of clickie nerfs and rooted dragons, Azure Guard and Kittens were regularly in ToV competing during normal spawn cycles, not just Quakes.

Azure Guard and Kittens were the two biggest casual guilds at the time before the nerfs, and before the Azure Guard/Aftermath merger.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, they were not nonsense.

Azure Guard was a completely separate guild with a different group of players before it merged with Aftermath. This merger of Azure Guard and Aftermath eventually became Vanquish.

Before the second wave of clickie nerfs and rooted dragons, Azure Guard and Kittens were regularly in ToV competing during normal spawn cycles, not just Quakes.

Azure Guard and Kittens were the two biggest casual guilds at the time before the nerfs, and before the Azure Guard/Aftermath merger.

Right and 1 merged and 1 still.competes when they feel like it on quakes. Nothing to do with clicky nerfs. Basically non sense.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right and 1 merged and 1 still.competes when they feel like it on quakes. Nothing to do with clicky nerfs. Basically non sense.

I think you missed the part where Kittens and Azure Guard could compete more often during regular spawn cycles, not just Quakes, as casual guilds.

This is because you could kill ToV content much easier when you could pull it with the clickies, maintain agro with the clickies, and push the boss to interrupt casting. Your raid force didn't need to be as big to kill the bosses, so casual guilds had an easier time fielding the minimum raid force required for the encounter. You didn't need to crawl to the boss, and you didn't need 100+ people.

The rooted dragons, clickies nerf, and push nerf honestly hurt smaller guilds more than it did the bigger guilds. The bigger guilds have enough people to win simply by brining enough people. Smaller guilds don't have that option.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you missed the part where Kittens and Azure Guard could compete more often during regular spawn cycles, not just Quakes, as casual guilds.

This is because you could kill ToV content much easier when you could pull it with the clickies, maintain agro with the clickies, and push the boss to interrupt casting. Your raid force didn't need to be as big to kill the bosses, so casual guilds had an easier time fielding the minimum raid force required for the encounter. You didn't need to crawl to the boss, and you didn't need 100+ people.

The rooted dragons, clickies nerf, and push nerf honestly hurt smaller guilds more than it did the bigger guilds. The bigger guilds have enough people to win simply by brining enough people. Smaller guilds don't have that option.

Tell me how Azure Guard will compete merged with VQ

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me how Azure Guard will compete merged with VQ

We are talking about the clickie nerfs, which happened in the past. They did not happen today. We can see what effects they have on the current raiding meta.

Your question is not relevant when looking at how the un-nerfed clickies helped casual guilds compete with larger guilds. If you un-nerf the clickies, this would help smaller guilds, like it did in the past.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure AG used to be able to compete more back then because it wasn’t a dead tag due to mergevolution. Nothing to do with clickies. AG never shied away from huge number kills either anyway.

Afaik Kittens have always been in to lower number stuff and more moderated eq instead of 24/7 socking. Correct me if i’m wrong Kitty guildies. Also doesn’t seem that relevant to clickies.

I was actively raiding in Aftermath before the clickie nerfs, push changes, and rooted dragons. I know how often I saw Azure Guard and Kittens compete in ToV. This changed after the nerfs, because the nerfs favored larger zerg guilds, which was basically Aftermath and Riot, and then Vaquish and Riot.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me how Azure Guard will compete merged with VQ

In DSM defence AG did used to be more competitive than VQ … at least for my own experience as I was able to attend more raids - more happened in my available playtime. I think for most former AG VQ members the opposite is true. They get a lot of raids while I sleep!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders defence AG did used to be more competitive than VQ … at least for my own experience as I was able to attend more raids - more happened in my available playtime. I think for most former AG VQ members the opposite is true. They get a lot of raids while I sleep!

You are correct. Aftermath had a downturn for a while. After the nerfs Aftermath went into a slump. This was when Riot was ascending to become the strongest guild on the server.

That is why the AG/Aftermath merger occurred. Aftermath was losing members, and no other guilds could compete with Riot. The reason why Azure Guard became Vanquish was because the leader of Azure Guard didn't want his guild tag to be used anymore with the merger. So we had to come up with a new guild name.